Wednesday 15 November 2023

REFERENDUM WOULD BE " '81 SPRINGBOK TOUR"

 

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Jackson: "It'll be '81Springbok Tour"


Wouldn't you think that the election result made it obvious that New Zealand is sick and tired of Te Reo and Maori grievances and whining and moaning about their unfair treatment and their rights under Te Tiriti Waitangi?

No. Not obvious to Labour MP Willie Jackson or Te Pati Maori co-leader Rawiri Waititi. As leaders of their proud race they do Maori no favours by exhibiting such obtuseness and resorting to threats to get their way. Throwing their toys out of the cot of Maori favoritism and elitism. 

The Catholic Church, particularly in Palmerston North Diocese, has encouraged Maori to feel 'special', in a sense of entitlement, of privilege. Granted, if you gave a Pakeha a day inside a brown skin they might see life very differently. But God is colour-blind. To God Maori, Pakeha, Indian, Philippino, Korean are all His beloved children and what induces His favours is not their race, but their love for Christ.

Ultimately of course, love for Christ or the lack of it is the determining factor in EVERYTHING. Political commentator Chris Trotter believes that the strength of our love also decides  individuals' stance on Hamas and Israel, and whether we opt now in New Zealand for democracy or what he calls "Ethnic Exceptionalism".



TO BE POLITICAL in the fourth quarter of 2023 is not easy. Yes, New Zealand has just passed through a general election, but the outcome of that contest was signalled well in advance by the polls. That the government lost came as no surprise, even if the vehemence of the electorate’s judgement came as a shock to many of the defeated party’s supporters.

 

But, it wasn’t Labour’s thrashing, and the victory of the Right, that made politics so hard. The explanation for the souring of political discourse here, and around the world, may be traced to Southern Israel, Hamas’s hideous rampage of 7 October, and the furious reaction of the Israeli state.

 

These events have hacked a bloody line through religious faiths, political movements, parties, families and friendships. Where people stand in relation to that dividing line is determined by many factors. Their understanding of history. Their perception of what politics should, and should not, permit. The reach of their hate. The strength of their love. The persuasiveness of their fear.


Significantly, the line runs horizontally, not vertically. Where one stands on the Israel-Hamas War is not a straightforward matter of Left versus Right. On both sides of the classical divide, friends and comrades draw away from each other: blue and white above the line; red, white, green and black below.


Discussing the times and the morals with an old comrade, just a few days ago, we reflected on the fast decreasing utility of the terms “Right” and “Left”. He recalled the ease with which, as much younger men, we were able to sort the issues of the day into neat ideological piles; separate the protagonists from the antagonists; and know a kind of ontological peace. Now, he told me, the only political idea with which he still identifies unequivocally is Democracy. In the past, he proudly proclaimed himself a socialist. Today, he would own to being a “radical democrat” – nothing more.


And now, as if the malevolent spirit of the times has not destabilised our world enough, New Zealanders’ adherence to the values and processes of democracy is being put to the test. Once again, the dividing line is horizontal, not vertical, with the “decolonising” project of Māori nationalism sundering the supporters of democracy from the partisans of ethnic exceptionalism. Like Palestine, the meaning, purpose, and future of Te Tiriti O Waitangi has become an issue over which an amiable ‘agreement to differ’ is no longer possible.


The day that was always going to dawn has arrived. The day when the unmandated revision of the meaning, purpose and scope of the Treaty of Waitangi runs into the numerical majority of New Zealanders who, according to the pollsters, have run out of patience with the “Treatyists” insistence that ‘Non-Māori’ have an open-ended obligation to acknowledge and fulfil what are now their unabashedly revolutionary constitutional claims.

 

This loss of patience has taken the form of the Act Party’s democratic counter-revision of the Treaty: a political formula it seeks to ratify with a referendum involving – and binding – the whole adult population of New Zealand.


The political leadership of Maoridom, and their Pakeha supporters, have been quick to declare their opposition to any resolution of Treaty differences by way of counting votes. The former Minister of Māori Affairs, Willie Jackson, has warned that elements within the Māori world are willing to “make war” on any attempt to re-write the Treaty’s meaning. (That the Waitangi Tribunal and the Judiciary have been doing exactly that for the best part of 50 years appears to have slipped the former minister’s mind.)

 

 

(O)n Q+A, Jack Tame asked Jackson if he plans to leave politics after Labour lost the election.

Jackson responded: “I want to stay because I’m nervous about what might be coming, you know in terms of this nonsensical Treaty referendum, let me tell you now Jack, if they try and push that through it’ll be ’81 Springbok Tour, civil unrest times five, times ten.

“I don’t think we’d be able to handle it or control it when I hear from our people surely they aren’t going to do that after we used the system, after we went through the courts, after Maori mortgaged homes, and their lives in terms of utilising the system and got victories, and now all of a sudden they’re going to be able to manage it in this country and I hope Mr Luxon and Winston show a bit of common sense over this.”Willie Jackson and his pals can’t seem to fathom that there was an election, and the division, race-baiting and separatism that they promoted and implemented was soundly rejected at the ballot box.

New Zealanders have had enough of the woke and overt racism of people like Willie Jackson, Marama Davidson, Rawiri Waititi and every other looter and wrecker of our society.

Enough! we said at the ballot box, like civilised people. https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/11/06/willie-jackson-rolls-out-the-threats/

Considerably less ferociously, the distinguished Treaty historian, Dame Anne Salmond, has also taken up an anti-referendum position. Writing for the Newsroom site, she argues that “the idea of putting the ‘principles of the Treaty’ to a popular vote is unjust and unwise, and should not be entertained by any responsible government ….. a referendum on ‘the principles of the Treaty,’ given its populist appeal to the majority and its inflammatory potential, is not the right (tika) way to conduct this kind of discussion. It would be unjust and divisive, inciting extreme views in all directions and fostering misinformation, anger and ill-will.”

 

A 'Dame' like Jacinda; a NZer of the year like LGBTQI personage Shaneel Lal


The central difficulty with Dame Anne’s position is that it fails to acknowledge that the manner in which the (re)interpretation of the Treaty has been carried out since the passage of the Waitangi Tribunal legislation in 1975 has not been all that “tika” either.

 

The re-conceptualisation of New Zealand’s democratic system of government was undertaken by institutions and individuals not subject to the judgement of the citizenry. Attempting to re-construct the nation’s constitutional edifice without reference to those obliged to live within it was always a very risky venture.


Dame Anne is not alone in her view that holding a referendum on the Treaty would not be wise. Rather than leave the decision to the electors, the former National Party Defence Minister, and present Law Commission member, Dr Wayne Mapp, argues for a Royal Commission of Inquiry “charged with coming up with an acceptable set of ‘Principles of the Treaty’, that could form the basis of legislative definition of the principles. The term itself is a creature of statute but it has never been statutorily defined. So over the last 36 years the Courts have fulfilled that role, supplemented by the bureaucracy.”


Presumably, Dr Mapp is channelling the wisdom of King Solomon, since nothing less would be required to select a panel of Royal Commissioners acceptable to all the parties involved in the Treaty Debate. Any line-up receiving the thumbs-up from Iwi leaders, Te Pāti Māori and Willie Jackson would, almost certainly, get the thumbs-down from David Seymour and Winston Peters. Which is, precisely, why a referendum is necessary.


 

Te Pati Maori's Rawiri Waititi uses his tie to symbolise a noose  


Te Pati Maori's Rawiri Waititi has revealed he isn’t “a fan of democracy” during a candid pre-election conversation with Newshub. He thinks democracy is a "tyranny of the majority."https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/10/05/face-of-the-day-841/


Dr Mapp is not convinced. “The reason why I oppose a referendum is that it will be an explicit removal of minority rights. Māori are a minority, mostly contained in the 18%. They will not agree to an ACT imposed definition of the principles of the treaty. I am well connected to Māori views on this matter, primarily through my wife [Denese Henare - C.T.]. I know the level of response and division that such a referendum will cause.”


Once again, the apparent absence of concern at what manner of response and division might ensue when those Mapp describes as “conservative senior politicians” are successful in persuading Christopher Luxon to rule out a referendum. Clearly, the levying of war against the Crown is something only Māori have the wit to threaten.


And, therein, lies the conundrum Luxon will have to face. If he bows to Māori threats to “make war” on his coalition government by scotching Act’s referendum proposal, then what’s next? What does he suppose will be the lesson drawn by those Māori determined to persist with co-governance, with Three Waters, with the Māori Health Authority?


“The last thing National needs over the next 3 years is an intemperate ‘debate’ over the principles of the Treaty.” Opines Dr Mapp. “There is a smarter approach to this issue.” So the Crown has insisted, ever since the 1980s, when it became frightened of what Māori might do if it dared to say “No”.

 

But, it was those “smarter” approaches, driven by fear, that prompted the decisions that have led us, concession by concession, one legal judgement inspiring and empowering the next, to this present position. Thus we find ourselves located, dangerously, between a rock and a hard place.


But, being political has never been easy – not even when one takes the easy way out. The moment always arrives when a choice has to be made. Democracy? Or Ethnic Exceptionalism? And what determines the choice? That, too, does not change:

Our understanding of history. Our perception of what politics should, and should not, permit. The reach of our hate. The strength of our love. The persuasiveness of our fear.

 


61 comments:

  1. Mark Smith-Bingham15 November 2023 at 23:27

    Truly sad behaviour from these two. Like petulant kids who don’t get their own way, so stamp their feet instead. Oh dear.....

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  2. Out damned spots,begone with you!

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  3. I see that MFAT has come under fire for removing te reo from their briefing papers. I think that there will be a big push back coming against TPM and Willie Jackson with Winston Peters now in the mix.

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  4. The media have been playing a silly word game on this issue. Trying to extend it to fill up space. REMEMBER, a referendum may be binding or just indicative. I predict an indicative referendum with a commission making certain recommendations. Many favor a written constitution with no reference to the Treaty. Export Jackson to Cuba.

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  5. The charge of Treason is still on the statute books Mr Jackson

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  6. Yeep.. crooked AF and should be forced to resign. Let's get a #resignWillieJackson Twitter/X movement going as there was for ol' Jacinda. He has pushed a blatantly wrong narrative for so long and been completely allowed to get away with it. Note how now there is talk of a treaty referendum the media is all up in arms and like kids throwing toys they threaten us with claims of civil unrest and war.. DANGEROUS rhetoric!!! Now where was the aghast media reaction when he said things like Maori never ceded sovereignty?? And when good old Rawiri said ‘It is a known fact that Māori genetic makeup is stronger than others.’ Hmmmm interesting isn't it?? If only they put their time, money and effort into helping their people really suffering..

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    1. Unfortunately the media are socialists at best and commies at worst.

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  7. All the green party should be made to go work on a farm n see how hard it is to produce food n then once they do they will shut their mouths up for good .

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    1. so true. They won two city areas. All they see is what is on a screen & are out of touch with reality. Watching election night, they all looked like young woke brain washed types & a time in the country would do them a world of good.

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    2. Jeffery F Petersen17 November 2023 at 19:02

      Thats the biggest problem along with most of them live in concrete jungle & don't know where real food comes from apart from KFC & Mc Donald's. I've had kids from cities visit my farm & are shocked to see where meat & hen eggs come from .

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    3. the city slickers only know food comes from the supermarket they have no idea where food is produced maybe they shud be shown.

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    4. No more going to Bellamys restaurant either where the taxpayer pays for their food they shud pay for it themselves out of their own pockets that wud sort the smart arse bastards out once n for all .

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  8. Willie Jackson we know your Maori lineage, NOW would you tell us your European lineage, I think it will be similar to mine & every other New Zealander

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  9. so true. Willie Jackson has a small amount of Maori in him as shown on the episode of DNA detectives in 2015. He was shocked to hear the results. Still continues to show no respect for his English and Scottish heritage. I guess there's no money or power in those parts of his DNA.

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    1. Jeffery F Petersen17 November 2023 at 19:07

      That is very true. After all isn't it the truth we seek.

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    2. power is an opiate - The leaked DNA report info showed Jackson had 20% European English, 18% Polynesian, 30%+ Asian Chinese, let him call himself what he likes, we all know what he is - A LIAR

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    3. Gutless Scumbag Media are the problem, the former ‘so-called’ 4th Estate whose role it was to be ‘public watchdogs’ instead they are now Leftwing, Woke ‘lapdogs’

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  10. Michelle Mcpherson17 November 2023 at 19:10


    https://petitions.parliament.nz/ba284b7f-84ca-4059-0743...

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  11. The maori people, get ripped off from the likes of this p...k, a lot of maori families struggle while these individuals get wealthy.

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    1. Oh, I see we are talking about the loser Jew...that is Willie Jackson!!!!

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  12. I know what willie needs … but I’ll get banned if I say it

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  13. All the other losing party's need to shoved out of parliament n go get a real job for the next 3 years get up at 6am n work a 10 hour day pay your tax s n do hard manual work nomore sitting on your arse in parliament out you go n work for your livng you bludgers .

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    1. totally agree with you. Would never vote for them. Blind bats following doctrines of devil.

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  14. I recently tried to book a blood test. I entered Southern laboratory and got a response Unknown. Because they changed the name from Southern laboratory TO AWANUI

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  15. Majority of Citizens support te Tiriti.

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    1. Not the current interpretation they don't.

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    2. I consider myself a reasonable person. So if I concede the words "legal fiction" would be considered over the top, and remove them from my commentary, how then do you answer the rest of my commentary?

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    3. I don't know where Campbell's 'commentary' has been published.

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    4. if you look at post tiriti comments why not look at the founding document he Whakaputanga?

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    5. I have. And I recognize that in order for a Treaty to have credibility, the people who sign a treaty between nations need to sign in an official and representative capacity for those whom they are deemed to be signing on behalf of. So the Queen's representative had to be that, a credentialled official- signing in an official capacity. Those who signed the Treaty of Waitangi on behalf of Maori, had to have some sort of recognizable official capacity in order for that to have credibility. The chiefs were recognizable in an official capacity enabled by the earlier 1835 United Tribes Declaration of Independence. So He Whakaputanga, the declaration of independence, helped to officially recognize Maori as self-governing and independent in a semblance of official recognition. And 5 years later this independence was exchanged in return for the protection of the Crown.
      So the more or less official recognition of Maori independence of 1835 was what enabled the justification for the recognition that these chiefs could legitimately be observed to have an official capacity to speak on behalf of Maori.
      And then those same Maori recognizing the protection and benefits of coming under the jurisdiction of the Crown, gave up that independence.
      It must not be forgotten that in the first place, the driving reason for He Whakaputanga was in protecting the, by that time, significant commercial interests of Maori from the get go. It was the same sense of survival and self preservation that eventually caused them to realize that they needed more than their own flag to protect their interests, and that that independence needed to be foregone in order to facilitate a stronger ally which they saw in showing allegiance to the Crown.

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    6. Professor Elisabeth Rata with Rodney Hide on RCR Reality Check Radio NZ gave an excellent in depth explanation.

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    7. "Current interpretation" refers to the point where Justice Robin Cook decided that Maori and the Crown were in some sort of "partnership" in 1987 and all the subsequent events to that landmark decision upon which so-called "Treaty Jurisprudence" rests.
      "For the first time in New Zealand’s legal history, the Lands case articulated and interpreted the principles of the Treaty. As Sir Robin Cooke, writing in 1994, observed, the line of twelve decisions from the Court of Appeal between 1987 and 1993 on matters relating to the Treaty of Waitangi enabled a new line of jurisprudence to emerge in New Zealand – Treaty jurisprudence." - 9https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/significance-lands-case-law-and-society
      "For the first time..." Means that from just prior to1840 and the signing of the Treaty until around the period of activist judges like Sir Robin Cook in the 1980's the settled opinion of the Treaty was that its intention was to make of European settlers and Maori one people under one law and under the protection and jurisdiction of the Crown. Maori enjoyed the opportunity of equality with existing British Subjects, not equality or partnership with The Crown, which is a legal fiction. Maori were offered the privilege of being equal as subjects to the Crown with all other settlers. So this current interpretation flies in the face of more than140 years of settled Treaty interpretation.
      Yet I didn't really write this for your information Sinclair, because your attitude to truth is quite apparent. When for example someone gives you a credible source of information such as the interview with Elizabeth Rata, instead of dealing with the issue, you cast derogatory aspersions on the media channel that produced the interview.
      I write this because your question could have been interpreted as a denial that any such change in the interpretation of the Treaty had taken place, and it deserved an answer. And for people who could think reasonably and accept the reality that the interpretation of the Treaty has undergone tremendous historic revision.

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    8. Legal fiction

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  16. 100 per cent.

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  17. What about Hipscum he as a Gestapo member of WEF should be prosecuted for Treason

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    1. And then along came Winston.
      So for the next three years the game of colonist bashing by a few radical, so called Maori no hoppers will at least be judged in perspective with a degree of fearless common sense a la Winston.

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  18. Lee Tamati-Aubrey19 November 2023 at 13:39

    Our Robots they don't have rights they have duties as per their Kaitiaki and customs of being a good slave to their owners of their S Corp registered at SEC the jobs of supposed highly trained professionals elites of paying their damn debts damages and injuries they created to their victims and their families,

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  19. The entire country is sick and tired of their whinging and blaming everybody but themselves. Willie and co are now totally irrelevant . Nobody is interested in their line of “ poor Maori”

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    1. poor? He has seven rentals and is worth millions. Don’t see any of their money redistributed to Māori in my neighbourhood.

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    2. Exactly. No treaty money has ever reached the bottom 90% of Maori. As in all tribal set ups the top dogs do very nicely and the rest can get stuffed.

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    3. WillIe Jackson is a classic example of pilfering from the tax payers trough. None of which will be extended out to the less fortunate that really need assistance.

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    4. The top elite are not poor or disadvantaged or struggling ... just milking it.

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    5. should we ask them how come it's ok to kill your babies? Very sad statistics over the years

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  20. It’s been going on for many many years. It’s now reached epidemic proportions and shows no sign of stopping.

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  21. The man should be jailed.Hes inciting violence.But knowone in power has got the guts to stand up.

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    1. it’s akin to sedition !

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  22. Shane Speight, can you explain "current interpretation "

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    1. Co governance - not supported by majority. Northern tribes did not cede sovereignty - not believed by the majority. Division by race - not supported by majority. Proof - the government that supported all this crap got 26% of the vote.

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    2. Shane Speight, like you say what arrogance to claim they didn't cede sovereignty when the historic record of their own ancestors clearly speaks against them. Maori are supposed to be known as a people who honour the Treaty, honour their ancestors and honour traditions, yet the modern Treatyist Maori do none of this, and would make their ancestors ashamed of them. As these words from the "Maori Messenger", a publication printed in Maori and which recorded the proceedings of the Kohimarama Conference of 1860 proves. The conference, which was convened to appraise the attitude of the chiefs towards the setting up of a Maori king and the overall attitude of Maori to the sovereignty of the Crown, was overwhelminly supportive of accepting the sovereignty of the Crown, unlike the Treatyists of today who deny this reality.
      The resolution pictured showed unanimity among Maori chiefs at the time. A remarkable testimony considering their were two hundred chiefs present at the conference.

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  23. he’s a very small part-maori and continually whining about being oppressed, ‘grievance’ is deeply rooted in Maori culture and now he’s inciting violence worse than the Springbok Rugby Tour if he doesn’t get his way, but imagine appointing this cretin as Min of Broadcasting, a particularly dangerous move. When at one time he was confronted by a journo on the recent campaign trail, he was asked “wasn’t the $37M cost payed to consultants for the proposed RNZ & TVNZ merger (that didn’t go ahead) an enormous waste of money (and still paying rent on a lease) he replied with a smirk oh i thought it was a good investment” what are people like him even doing in our Parliament? = MMP

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    1. RNZ and TVNZ have always been merged… they’re always singing the exact same song

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  24. Yes, the vicious, destructive behaviour of racist part-Maori activists and their collaborators has become well out of hand, quite outrageous, as they have the whiff of wealth and power that co-governance would bring them.

    Many planned and booked meetings for Julian Batchelor’s presentations have been cancelled because venue owners have been threatened and intimidated. One laments how weak so many are in the face of intimidation.

    Every meeting (all well attended) has had to confront the above-mentioned vile behaviour except, very interestingly, those meetings of which they police were notified in advance.

    Better read about it here: https://stopcogovernance.kiwi/blog/great-crowd-turn-up-in-whakatane-to-hear-julian/
    ’cause you won’t hear about on your tv news.

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    1. That should read "meetings of which the police were not notified in advance".

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  25. They will throw their toys out of the cot. Produce lots of noise, with providing absolutely nothing.

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  26. Not just Jackson. You watch what happens once the National party sorts out its coalition partners and is sworn in as the incoming government. I can see the likes of labour, the Greens and the Māori party instigating and being part and parcel of violent riots and protests just to generally disturb any policy or new laws that they don't like or oppose just to unset the general order of this country. We have already heard the threats and seen the actions of individual(s) acting like a pack of little spoilt children as they pout around when they think that they won't get their own way or their way is in danger. It will take strong leadership and a united coalition to stand against such riff-raff and I hope that they take a leaf out of the past government and use force to fight against what I believe will be a direct violation of the rights of the majority. Wake up New Zealand and stop smelling the dried rose arrangements of the past and create a united future for our children and their children not a divided benefit driven one. In other words, we need to stand on our own two feet and walk forward together united as one proud nation, not divided like we presently are.

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  27. Just a rich p...k he doesn’t give a shit about his people the tribes controlling billions of dollars don’t share a cent to their people that need it just line their own pockets

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  28. All about DIVIDE AND CONQUER not helping people out. Look how it has already divided us.

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  29. I lost any last vestige of respect for Willie Jackson .. when I found out he is more Pakistani than Māori (once you know that .. you can see it in him SO obviously .. in fact, you wonder how you ever saw him as Māori) .. and his DNA markers point more to his lineage back to Europe’s Ashkenazi Jews …

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