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"In PN diocese we are becoming like warring sides, sitting at
a distance and firing long range shots at each other. I
can't criticise, I fire shots too, but I wish I did not feel compelled to
do so. But I get offended so often by things that happen in the
Church that seem so painfully counter to its mission.
"If division is satanic, then the spirit inspiring some at PN Diocese right now is cutting like a sword. The communications advisor explicitly referred to divisions demarcating ‘us’ versus ‘them’, leaving me confused as to my membership.
"We should all be on the same page, unless dissenting from the truth. Hiding and covering up the truth by silencing those who speak it, wasn’t the most Catholic course of action. Actually it is like the chief priests who attempted to cover up the truth about the presence of Jesus Body when it was no longer found in the tomb!
"To hide the truth about Communion, the plan is to promulgate physical ‘safety’ not spiritual safety, truth about Jesus’ Real Presence etc. That the focus is on hiding the truth is nowhere more obvious than in the omission to direct the faithful to make substitute gestures for signing their forehead, lips, and breast prior to the Gospel reading. Failing to do this reveals a high level of incompetence at best!
"If we are simply shopping for ‘flavours’ as suggested in the deleted post, then ‘truth’ would not be such a matter of importance.
"As one who attends both forms of the Mass and wants nothing more than a return to the sacred in the Novus Ordo also, the deletion speaks volumes about the Diocese's understanding of, or desire for, seeking truth through the raising of our hearts and minds to Christ in the Mass.
"They should have rejoiced that their flock of lay faithful seek this by advocating for a return to the sacredness and solemn essence of the NO Mass because when that happens hearts, minds, and souls will be raised to Our Lord, and the realisation of His sacredness and His suffering on Calvary for our personal redemption will be evident.
"Unless this is the reason for changing the Liturgy neither we, nor the children, will be able to benefit substantially more from the Mass nor from the fruit of the Holy Eucharist (notwithstanding God’s prerogative to do as He pleases to whom He pleases, whenever He pleases).
"Rather, souls will edge slowly towards being made darker (we will have eyes which cannot see, ears which cannot hear)! Who wants that for our youth? The Diocese of Palmerston North? Fr Joe Grayland? The parishioners of OLOL who are given the responsibility of spiritually guiding kids ? I don’t think so!
"Rather, souls will edge slowly towards being made darker (we will have eyes which cannot see, ears which cannot hear)! Who wants that for our youth? The Diocese of Palmerston North? Fr Joe Grayland? The parishioners of OLOL who are given the responsibility of spiritually guiding kids ? I don’t think so!
"The only conclusion I can draw from all this is that there's a major lapse in understanding about what the Mass is, about what the Real Presence of Christ in the Mass and in the Holy Eucharist means for the soul and for the salvation of this world.
"The implication of failing to see this is an elevation of the people (bringing children ‘into’ the Mass by ‘participation’) as opposed to teaching them how to ‘participate’ prayerfully and appreciate the silence of prayer, so Christ can come to them, leaving the beauty and mystery of the liturgy to speak for itself.
"The consequence for the entire parish and Diocese with its lack of interest in sacredness is another generation who will be restless, and for our own faith life it will mean a further diminishing of the priesthood (vocations can only but plummet).
This is not the fault of any particular person, but an institution that has been raising generations of people and priests without the catechesis souls formerly received, based on what's known about spiritual development and the means of sanctification. Liturgy was changed because darkness had crept into souls and people surpassed Christ in importance. This is exactly what Fr Joe proposes.
We were further advanced in knowledge of spiritual development 500 years ago, so the solution lies in going backwards, to see how change and modernism has impacted our souls through liturgical change.
Fr Joe is an energetic worker, and intelligent, so he could institute the right type of ‘change’ if he turned back to what we know about spiritual direction and sanctification of souls. It means first having eyes to see this, then doing a 180 degree turn, spending time contemplating the mystery of his ordination and the path to perfection. If he did that he would bring light and life to souls, not a material ‘feel good’ moment that has no impact on spiritual sanctification.
Fr Joe is an energetic worker, and intelligent, so he could institute the right type of ‘change’ if he turned back to what we know about spiritual direction and sanctification of souls. It means first having eyes to see this, then doing a 180 degree turn, spending time contemplating the mystery of his ordination and the path to perfection. If he did that he would bring light and life to souls, not a material ‘feel good’ moment that has no impact on spiritual sanctification.
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| Little Nellie of Holy God, aged 4, 1908) |
Parents and parishioners need only look at young saints like Nellie (little Nellie of Holy God, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Organ) and St Joan of Arc to see the road to perfection, true life, and joy. They will see then how far Fr Joe is from being able to direct souls along those sure paths with his current proposal.
| St Joan of Arc |
I truly pray someone in this diocese will soon see what is going on!
Even a Dunedin-ite weighs in. Philippa O'Neill says: "That (deleted)reply would have come directly from the horse's mouth. She is yet another member of the faithful being used to fire the bullets of the priest.
"I've been there, done that. I see it for what it is. I've been reading Bishop Robert Barron's reply regarding the call by the faithful to priests/bishops to stand up to BLM and their call to topple statues etc... weak, so weak. A certain Timothy Gordon stood up to BLM and he was fired from his teaching position (Catholic Highschool) for doing so. Bishop Barron needs to get out from behind his video camera and get some real work done.
https://mailchi.mp/lepantoinstitute/your-catholic-week-in-review-our-weapon-against-revolution-edition?e=b99eff3224
And Bob Gill of Dannevirke makes a contribution:
“To hide the truth about Communion, the plan is to promulgate physical ‘safety’ not spiritual safety” As Cardinal Dew wears two hats at the moment (Acting Bishop of Palmerston North diocese and Cardinal for New Zealand), is he actually promulgating physical safety within these conditions? I think not. “He speaks with a forked tongue” as the Lone Ranger’s sidekick, Tonto, used to say when I was a boy at the movies. He appears to have another agenda.
"After daily Mass at St Joseph’s Dannevirke this morning, once again Cardinal Dew’s instruction of 11 June emphasising Communion on the tongue is not allowed FOR OUR DIOCESE awaited us. Note that soon after this instruction was sent the first time, we later received another conflicting instruction from the Bishops Conference (an instruction that included the okay from John Dew as Cardinal of NZ – using his second hat - as part of that team). Confusing indeed!
"A few days ago I visited https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jTg84y1FEw which was the Sunday Mass for 21 June 2020 for Taupo Tongaroa, Hamilton diocese. As you can see, Communion on the tongue is allowed: at 1:06:11 on the video from the 4th lay minister, left to right; and over-the-top blessings are allowed at: 1:05:55 and 1:08:04.
"I also phoned St Vincent de Paul church in Takapuna asking if Communion on the tongue was allowed there this Sunday. I was told the preference was for Communion in the hand, but Communion on the tongue was allowed. Note: Auckland Diocese.
"It’s looking like Cardinal Dew, then, feels he can sway things in the PN Diocese, but something stops him doing that in the other dioceses. That something can only be the other NZ bishops, I’m thinking.
"So, we have a situation where at least some of the bishops of NZ appear to disagree with Cardinal Dew’s assessment of the situation. That’s understandable, simply because his stance is questionable:
In my little daily circle at Mass, for example, all parishioners touch the face and body while making the Sign of the Cross, then all except me receive in the hand (whose hands have been touched by the fingers of our single lay minister giving out Communion in the hand on behalf of our invalid priest). I then receive further contamination by receiving on the tongue. Where, then, is the justification for receiving in the hand only?
"At least with the confusion Cardinal Dew has caused (and it appears to be a waste of time trying to convince him otherwise) we can avoid by going elsewhere for our Sunday Mass – even though it is a bit of an inconvenience at times."
Mother of Perpetual Help, you have been blessed and favored by God. you became not only the Mother of the Redeemer, but Mother of the redeemed as well. We come to you today as your loving children. Watch over us and take care of us. As you held the child Jesus in your loving arms, so take us in your arms. Be a mother ready at every moment to help us. For God who is mighty has done great things for you, and God's mercy is from age to age on those who love God. Intercede for us, dear Mother, in obtaining pardon for our sins, love for Jesus, final perseverance, and the grace always to call upon you, Mother of Perpetual Help.
Even a Dunedin-ite weighs in. Philippa O'Neill says: "That (deleted)reply would have come directly from the horse's mouth. She is yet another member of the faithful being used to fire the bullets of the priest.
"I've been there, done that. I see it for what it is. I've been reading Bishop Robert Barron's reply regarding the call by the faithful to priests/bishops to stand up to BLM and their call to topple statues etc... weak, so weak. A certain Timothy Gordon stood up to BLM and he was fired from his teaching position (Catholic Highschool) for doing so. Bishop Barron needs to get out from behind his video camera and get some real work done.
https://mailchi.mp/lepantoinstitute/your-catholic-week-in-review-our-weapon-against-revolution-edition?e=b99eff3224
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| Pope Benedict XVI: "Communion only reaches its true depth when it is supported and surrounded by adoration" (kneeling) |
And Bob Gill of Dannevirke makes a contribution:
"After daily Mass at St Joseph’s Dannevirke this morning, once again Cardinal Dew’s instruction of 11 June emphasising Communion on the tongue is not allowed FOR OUR DIOCESE awaited us. Note that soon after this instruction was sent the first time, we later received another conflicting instruction from the Bishops Conference (an instruction that included the okay from John Dew as Cardinal of NZ – using his second hat - as part of that team). Confusing indeed!
"A few days ago I visited https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jTg84y1FEw which was the Sunday Mass for 21 June 2020 for Taupo Tongaroa, Hamilton diocese. As you can see, Communion on the tongue is allowed: at 1:06:11 on the video from the 4th lay minister, left to right; and over-the-top blessings are allowed at: 1:05:55 and 1:08:04.
"I also phoned St Vincent de Paul church in Takapuna asking if Communion on the tongue was allowed there this Sunday. I was told the preference was for Communion in the hand, but Communion on the tongue was allowed. Note: Auckland Diocese.
"It’s looking like Cardinal Dew, then, feels he can sway things in the PN Diocese, but something stops him doing that in the other dioceses. That something can only be the other NZ bishops, I’m thinking.
"So, we have a situation where at least some of the bishops of NZ appear to disagree with Cardinal Dew’s assessment of the situation. That’s understandable, simply because his stance is questionable:
In my little daily circle at Mass, for example, all parishioners touch the face and body while making the Sign of the Cross, then all except me receive in the hand (whose hands have been touched by the fingers of our single lay minister giving out Communion in the hand on behalf of our invalid priest). I then receive further contamination by receiving on the tongue. Where, then, is the justification for receiving in the hand only?
"At least with the confusion Cardinal Dew has caused (and it appears to be a waste of time trying to convince him otherwise) we can avoid by going elsewhere for our Sunday Mass – even though it is a bit of an inconvenience at times."
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| Our Lady of Perpetual Help |
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