NZ GAYS WILL NOT BE FOR TURNING EITHER

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In Victoria, sadly self-explanatory

You will, of course, be far too perturbed tonight by that siren on your phone warning you how Big Sister Ardern has locked Auckland up again and told the rest of us to wash our hands, to pay attention to Victoria's ban on 'conversion therapy'. 

But Big Sister wants that ban before our NZ House of Representatives this year.

Ardern playing dress-ups again, courting the Maori vote at Waitangi

Ardern says banning parents with teenagers who want help with unwanted same-sex attraction from getting that help is "absolutely not" an attack on free speech. Oh, so that's all right then. 

And she knows "that conversion therapy has a harmful impact on our rainbow community.

"We know," she says, "that we have higher rates of self-harm and suicide in that community. So I consider that we have an obligation to fix this issue and reduce harm."

Is she just stupid, or evil, or both? Yes, Jacinda, we do have higher rates of self-harm and suicide among active homosexuals, and that's exactly why parents whose teenagers have unwanted same-sex attraction need help: they love their kids and want to protect them from "self-harm and suicide".

It would seem from Paul Collits' The Gays are not for Turning that Ardern is telling us another of her big porkies, and that we should resist this ban with all our might and main - and, I might add, our prayer.

"The Victorian Parliament recently passed horrific legislation designed to solve a problem that does not exist and, in doing so, trod all over the rights of families, medical practitioners, those experiencing unwanted same sex attraction and the Church.

It all boils down to whether you think that “homosexual” is a noun or an adjective.

Gore Vidal (I think it was) once claimed that there were no homosexual people, only homosexual acts.  Perhaps he was simply reflecting the newly appointed US Supreme Court Judge Amy Coney Barrett’s use of a very un-pc expression, “sexual preference”, a mortal sin in the twenty-first century secular state. 

Now matters of sex are more properly called “sexual orientation”, a stamp apparently gifted at birth by the Creator, and gifted for life.  The now disgraced actor Kevin Spacey once stated, “I now choose to live as a gay man”.  Oops.  Again, not politically correct in these times.

Much rides on the distinction.  If gaydom is a choice, then it is a choice that might be rescinded, by personal choice or by the influence of others.  If gaydom is in the chromosomes, as it were, then evils like “conversion therapy” are not only pointless but also morally repugnant, in the era of homosexual worship.

As David van Gend (normally described in the media as “controversial”, which means I will probably agree with him) has noted, if homosexuality can be, for some, a choice, then do we not have a problem with the liberty of individuals and their inalienable rights?

The libertarian championing of individual choice does not seem to extend to the liberty of gay people to modify their sexual responsiveness in their desired direction. 

The question is topical, of course. 

That bastion of political wokeness, the Victorian Government, has just passed a law to ban attempts to reverse same sex attraction, regraded by some as being a form of domestic violence.  This past week has seen this controversial legislation passed, with merely a handful of MPs voting against the seemingly inexorable tide.  The Victorian Liberal Party, for whom the phrase “what are they there for?” seems to have been invented, naturally didn’t put up any resistance, save for a couple of brave outliers.

“Therapy” has been defined very broadly, and the penalties for transgression are severe.  One can easily imagine suitably kitted-out, mask-wearing VicPol officers breaking down doors, throwing Christian parents to the floor and pressing down on their necks. 

 

A VicPol hero chokes woman for not wearing a mask

Prior to their being taken away to lonely cells in Barwon Prison.  Solitary confinement would be preferred. 

What are you in for, mate?  Well, my teenage son thought he was gay, and I suggested we pray about it.

Of course, Daniel Andrews’ Labor buddy in Queensland has already been down this road.  As van Gend notes:

Buried deep in the dull-sounding Health Legislation Amendment Bill 2019, you will find ‘Chapter 5B, Conversion therapies’, which will send a GP to jail for 18 months if he dissents from transgender ideology; if he refuses to usher a gender-confused boy down the path of experimental, brain-shrinking, castrating ‘transition’.

… Even if Labor gives ground on gender, it will not yield on sending a GP or counsellor to jail for holding the wrong views on homosexuality. It’s a 12-month sentence for helping a client who is unhappy with his homosexual feelings and wants to explore his heterosexual potential. ...

This is just another in a line of totemic struggles between the forces of progressivism and tradition.  It is added to the ever-growing list of battles in the sex wars.  Victoria has been a leader in this.  Under Daniel Andrews especially, the state south of the Murray has moved the goalposts bit by bit away from traditional Judeo-Christian understandings of sex towards a sexual free-for-all libertinism whereby anything goes.

The homosexual lobby is very good at the “blood on their hands” argument.  Israel Folau caused “suicides”, as the former South Sydney and Manly NRL forward Ian Roberts would have it.  And Margaret Court is up there with Josef Mengele.

The new Victorian law spares no one, and not just the churches and medical practitioners.  Parents cannot engage with their possibly sexually confused teen children, other than to “affirm” their sexuality.  Affirming is very important for the homosexual lobby and their useful idiot fellow-travellers.  You have to like it.  Accept it.  Cheer it on. 

All these gung-ho gay liberationists seem to be forgetting one important fact.  Gore Vidal was onto something.  As was Kevin Spacey.  Does not the “B” in the LGBT consortium suggest that these things might be fluid, and matters of choice?  Not forever.  Not immutable. 

If homosexuality is, at least for some, a choice, does not that suggest that those who are perhaps unhappy with their sexual choices might reasonably be open to engagement with those who might wish to help them resolve their confusions?

Where, again, are the social libertarians?  Even the famous scholar and lesbian (not yet a hasbian, as Jerry Seinfeld might have said), Camille Paglia, gets it:

If a gay man wants to marry and sire children, why should he be harassed by gay activists accusing him of ‘self-hatred’? He is more mature than they are, for he knows that woman’s power cannot be ignored. If counseling can allow a gay man to respond sexually to women, it should be encouraged and applauded, not strafed by gay artillery fire of reverse moralism.

Paglia believes that sexual orientation is fluid and can change.  In a world of bi-sexual men and women – the B in the acronym, the one letter that is seldom mentioned anywhere – Paglia’s claim seems to me to be merely stating the obvious.  See under K Spacey.

https://www.voiceofthevoiceless.info/lesbian-feminist-camille-paglia-sexual-orientation-is-fluid-and-can-change

One of the big problems for the tiny gay minority in Australia is that conversion therapy sometimes works!  I am not speaking here of homosexual Christians who do their best to avoid sin and temptation – as we all should – but those who actually modify their sexual “preference”. 

Some of the stories at VoicesofChange.net are worth reading here.

http://www.voicesofchange.net/

Van Gend, again, is the go-to warrior on this issue.  He says that as many as a third of those who enter the process emerge with different behaviour.  I, for one, do not see a problem with that, even if Daniel Andrews does.

‘Conversion therapy’ [the claim to be able to change someone’s sexuality or gender identity] destroys lives. And soon, it will be against the law in Victoria. Because bigoted quackery has no place in this state.

In fact, it isn’t bigoted.  It is, indeed, Daniel Andrews who is bigoted.  Nor is it “quackery”.

https://mercatornet.com/banning-therapy-banning-liberty/24119/

... The myth of electrodes attached to the heads of coerced homosexuals implied in the very words “conversion” and “therapy”, designed of course to mislead, is just that, a myth.  As one doctor explains:

The therapist enters into a collaborative relationship, agreeing to work with the client to reduce his unwanted attractions and explore his heterosexual potential. This collaborative relationship could not, of course, include imposing methods or techniques attempting to ‘cause’ sexual-orientation change – which would, anyway, be quite impossible.

This doctor terms the process “reparative” therapy.  Another appropriate term would be “collaborative counselling”.  We cannot have that!

Where is the scientific evidence of harm?  It isn’t there, or at least, as van Gend notes, “the science is unsettled”.  This from the American Pschological Association:

Early and recent research studies provide no clear evidence of the prevalence of harmful outcomes among people who have undergone efforts to change their sexual orientation or the frequency of the occurrence of harm because no study to date of adequate scientific rigor has been explicitly designed to do so. Thus, we cannot conclude how likely it is that harm will occur from SOCE. (SOCE stands for sexual orientation change efforts).

Speaking of what the views of social libertarians should be, in order to be consistent, on the question of sexual orientation, what about the whole transgender debate? 

 

"In reality, people of all genders get pregnant and give birth to babies around the world" -Healthline Parenthood

Here the progressives are in favour of change!  Change of gender is good – if an individual wishes it.  Change of sexual orientation is bad.  It is difficult to keep up.

The big bulwark for the ideological gays is, as always, traditional Christianity.  The two do not mix.  It is a declared war.  The philosophy of affirmation conflicts at the most fundamental level with a religion that decrees that homosexual acts are sinful.  This essentially private, philosophical stoush has bled into the public square.  Governments are messing with sacred matters.  Again.

The Victorian legislation, itself astonishing in its audacity, has implications for all sorts of religious matters.  All the amendments proposed, that might have preserved some semblance of religious protection, were summarily dispatched.

The Covid state has encroached our basic freedoms.  The freedom to travel.  The freedom to cross state borders.  The freedom to not wear a mask.  The freedom to protest.  The freedom to dissent.

 

More than 1,500 police are patrolling the streets of Melbourne to enforce the lockdown

 Now the state has stepped into our private, domestic conversations, about matters sacred and personal.  The images of poor homosexuals being dragged off to funny farms to be subjected to mad professors attaching electrodes to their heads and messing with their brains has been useful, but the real 1984 stuff here is something quite different.

It is the new imposition of state-determined cultural oppression in the name of goose-stepping homosexualists who, we have seen during and since the same sex marriage debate, are not minded to take prisoners.  Two  thousand years of Christian tradition can be dismissed in a flash.

Many of us have known people, often Christians, suffering the oppression of unwanted same sex attraction, especially as teenagers finding their way in life.  Life is confusing, nuanced, troubled and problematic.  Denying the right of the innocently same-sex attracted boy or girl to seek help, even within the family, is a moral evil.  But, at least in Victoria, what else would we expect?

Let the state control these matters, and we are admitting defeat in the face of Big Brother. 

 Or Big Sister.

Pink Big Brother. 

Or Red Big Sister. 

An iron fist in a rainbow glove.

The gay “community”, essentially a fiction invented by the postmodern world, may be not for turning.  Individuals struggling with their sexual issues might beg to differ.  

Now, in Victoria, if they do, they and their deeply caring families and mentors who see life as eternal, care for the souls of their loved ones and still believe that sin is a real thing, will be thrust into prison."

 

Cardinal George Pell arrives at the Seminary of The Good Shepherd, Sydney after 405 days behind bars

Cardinal George Pell (who incidentally was championed throughout his ordeal by Paul Collits) has this to say about being "thrust into prison": 

“My Catholic faith sustained me, especially the understanding that my suffering need not be pointless but could be united with Christ Our Lord’s.

“I never felt abandoned, knowing that the Lord was with me – even as I didn’t understand what he was doing for most of the thirteen months.

“So, I prayed for friends and foes, for my supporters and my family, for the victims of sexual abuse, and for my fellow prisoners and the warders.”

"For many years, I had told the suffering and disturbed that the Son of God, too, had trials on this earth, and now I myself was consoled."