Wednesday 11 October 2023

PROF BAKER WANTS LOCKDOWNS FOR FLU





The depth of Labour's electoral desperation might be measured by the reappearance in the public square of Professor Michael Baker, surely by now one of the most loathed of a good selection of Covid medical Maestros.

Prof Baker claims, in the NZ Medical Journal, that 20,000 Kiwis were saved from certain Covid death - and what's more, implies that flu and respiratory viruses should in future get the same lockdowns, masks and social distancing treatment.  

If PM-for-3-more-days Hipkins thinks his suspiciously timed bout of Covid is worth a sympathy vote, or that wheeling out Prof Baker's stats per kind favour of the thoroughly discredited NZ Medical Association will convince Kiwis of their truthfulness, that's just further proof of his haplessness and demonstrable inability to govern.

Prof Baker, Siouxsie Wiles et al were once nonentities who owe their time in the sun to Covid. No wonder they're reluctant to let the sun go down. If they but realised the strength of feeling against them out there, they'd sidle back into the shadows.



Prof 'Too-wit-too-woo' Baker is trumped by economist Ananish Chaudhuri



In a recent article in the New Zealand Medical Journal, Michael Baker and his co-authors claim that New Zealand saved at least 20,000 lives from Covid death. This article has received a fair amount of media exposure.

Given that this is a “viewpoint” article, I am not sure whether the paper went through peer review or not. It provides an overview of the progression of the Covid pandemic and various associated issues. Most of it is uncontroversial as it presents a series of facts. There are bits of opinion thrown in that might raise some eyebrows such as: As COVID-19 transitions to becoming endemic, some argue that it should be treated more like other infectious diseases. We propose the converse approach of treating other serious respiratory infections such as influenza and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) more like COVID-19. It is not clear exactly what this means but it seems like Baker et al are suggesting that we should implement lockdowns to deal with other respiratory diseases. At this point, it has become clear that Baker and his colleagues are either unable or unwilling to acknowledge the massive collateral damages of the policies they espouse. It is well-established that lockdowns have no effect on mortality.

Except by lowering morale to the point of suicide. 

But equally, one could take the charitable view that as medical professionals it is their job to focus on diseases and advocate for stringent responses. It is up to the policy makers to figure out the optimal response bearing in mind the various trade-offs. But where did the headline “20,000 lives saved” come from? As far as I can see this comes from a section in the paper’s Appendix, which deals with excess mortality around the world. The authors reproduce a chart from Our World in Data that shows excess mortality in different countries in July 2023. The authors write:

If New Zealand (resident population 5.185 million in 2022) had experienced the cumulative excess mortality of the US (3,739.3 per million) then we would have had around 19,390 excess deaths up to the end of June 2023. With the United Kingdom (UK) excess mortality (3,164.8 per million), we would have had around 16,410 excess deaths, or using the experience of Sweden (1,436.3 per million) we would have had 7,450 excess deaths. New Zealand’s excess was varying around zero in mid-2023 (122 at the time of writing). The claim is deeply problematic. First, how do we know that this excess mortality is the result of Covid? Second, what is an appropriate benchmark or baseline that this mortality is being compared against? Third, what about the age at death, knowing that the age profile of Covid deaths is heavily skewed toward the elderly? Fourth, what about the other social, economic and psychological opportunity costs of some of those policies? Fifth, it is well-known that the definition of a Covid-19 death, in many countries, did not imply that someone actually died from Covid. Finally, it is well-known in the public health literature that “lives saved” is not a meaningful measure. The usual measure is “quality adjusted life years” (QALY) saved. This is the measure used, for instance, by Pharmac in deciding which drugs to fund and which not. New Zealand’s current life expectancy is 82 years. This means that if you save the life of a healthy 80-year-old then you have possibly saved two years of quality-adjusted life while preventing the death of a 5-year-old implies potentially saving 77 years of quality-adjusted life. And yes, this is the exactly the type of calculation carried out by bodies like Pharmac. But suppose, Baker and his colleagues are correct. Even if we take their arguments at face value then based on what they write, the excess mortality is between 7,450 excess deaths (Sweden) and 19,390 deaths in the US. So rightfully the headline should be: “New Zealand may have saved between 8000 and 20,000 lives.” But are these the right comparisons? Should we compare New Zealand with 5 million people to the US (330 million) or the UK (68 million) with both having far greater population density (and other problems) than New Zealand? What if we compare with Denmark, Norway and Finland, each of which has around 5.5 million people. On July 2, 2023, Norway had 1315 excess deaths per million, Denmark 716, Finland 2164. What does this imply for excess deaths? Given that the populations are roughly equal to New Zealand, we could multiple each of these numbers by 5. At best, we can say that we have saved somewhere between 3580 (Denmark) and 10,820 (Finland) lives, a far cry from 20,000. I could only find data for Australia from May 28 when its excess death stood at 1094 per million. This would imply approximately 5,470 deaths. So, the “20,000 lives saves” message is numerically inaccurate and practically meaningless. It is possible that the message got distorted in reporting. It is possible that Baker said that we may have saved as many as 20,000 lives but this was written up as “20,000 lives saved”. But Baker should have noted that “lives saved” is a meaningless measure. It is also true that the fallacies in the argument would be obvious if journalists engaged in double-sourcing, which they are expected to do, by seeking a second opinion from an objective third-party.ANANISH CHAUDHURI: Claims about New Zealand saving 20,000 Covid lives are inaccurate and meaningless (bassettbrashandhide.com)

 

St Francis Borgia

 

We must make our way towards eternity, never regarding what men think of us, or of our actions, studying only to please God.”

7 comments:

  1. Jennifer Jackson11 October 2023 at 13:24

    BAKER; a ‘manipulative COMMUNIST DICTATOR! Lock down & WRECK peoples’ lives!! How planned Communists GET THEIR WAY! ONLY “” IF”” WE The People let them!🧐😡
    Sound familiar? Baker, one of Fauci’s friends!! ….There are more of US than them!

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  2. What a pack of treasonous people and overpaid!

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  3. The announcement of 20,000 lives saved in NZ was timed to be just before the election. Prof Baker will probably be awarded a knighthood for his loyalty to the government.

    I saw an honest professor say it is rubbish to compare the Covid outcomes in different countries like this. A huge factor is what coronaviruses have circulated beforehand, this affects the level of public immunity. Politicians will take full credit for the outcomes of course, but it is really nature at work.

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  4. Clark, Ardern, Bloomfield and many other agents accomplished a host of treacherous objectives, then received promotions to other offices of the UN/WHO/WEF. Their atrocities whilst positioned in our Parliament offices proves 1, Parliament buildings are currently just another office of the WEF and 2, those we believe to be MP's are in fact WEF agents, destroying our families, our vibrant society, our exports, our businesses, our sovereignty, leaving thousands of dead and injured Kiwis in their wake.
    Some even came from other WEF/UN/WHO offices, to our Parliament, then promoted back to other WEF/UN/WHO offices. Think about it. Can you see it?

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  5. And they thought they were gonna get away Scot free .
    Oh no, there's a hanging party coming.

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  6. What a ghastly thought. There are some idiots spouting off still. Not surprising.

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  7. wouldn't have mattered which way Winston went last time, there would still have been vilification by some for his decision. What ever happens this time will be up to the voters.

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