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Anglican St Alban's - SOLD to the FSSR |
The day you see, in two Hawke's Bay Novus Ordo churches, something called a 'gifting tree' instead of a Christmas tree is not improved by reading gutter journalism from a publication claiming to be Marist. In a beat-up worthy of its origin - "Paddy Gower has Issues" - Cathnews aka Cathspews continues its vendetta against the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer (FSSR or Transalpine Redemptorists ) in Christchurch.
The Marist knickers being well and truly in a twist, they're calling FSSR's purchase of the historic St Alban's chapel in Ohoka, North Canterbury, "dirty pool". In other words, in following standard business practice for such transactions, the Sons are dishonest and unfair. Surely a Catholic publication cannot mean to say such a horrid thing? Or to paint the unhappy Bishop Michael Gielen as a dog in the manger, as Cathnews does? Cathnews will only have itself to blame if the Sons take it to court, as they did Bishop Gielen.
The thing is, Christchurch Catholic Diocese can't afford to buy an historic church and hasn't got a congregation to put in it anyway, but it obviously does not want the FSSR to have St Alban's either.
What's more, Cathnews would have us believe that if the Anglicans had only known that the would-be purchasers of St Alban's were those dastardly villainous Sons, they wouldn't have taken their money. Because, you know, there are 'concerns' about the sale. Whose concerns? Cathnews doesn't say. Cathnews hastens to remind us that the FSSR "has drawn controversy over reported illicit exorcism practices and over unlicensed priests presiding over the Mass". Drawn controversy from whom? Paddy Gower?
Nothing so juicy as 'illicit exorcisms' and 'sexual grooming' has come Cathnews' way in aeons, and they are determined to milk this for all its worth. Normally all they have to rely on is the latest heresy from Antipope Francis or his mouthpieces like Bishop Peter Cullinane and Fr Joe Grayland - whose little spat over last Sunday's lamentable 'Litany of Lament' enlivens their current issue.
Oh, and their suggestion that laity should have "a greater voice in choosing bishops" - a bad idea promoted by Monsignor Brendan Daly, canon lawyer for Christchurch Diocese. (But surely there could be no bishop more to the liking of the post-conciliar, Novus Ordo Synodal Bergoglian sect than Bishop Michael Gielen?)
Mons Daly wants us to believe that the FSSR priests are 'unlicensed' (whatever that might mean) and their Masses are "illicit". Fact is, the Sons' priestly faculties have been suspended but they continue to celebrate Holy Mass as all priests must, daily - and if the faithful turn up as they do and should, does Monsignor Daly think the Sons should turn them away?
"Reports raised questions", says Cathnews,"about whether the vendors knowingly transferred the property to the group." Whose reports? And why should the Anglican Diocese not transfer their property to 'the group'? What business is it of Cathnews whether they knew to whom they were selling, or not?
A business-savvy reader of this blog comments that "no church wants to sell premises to another church who will use the premises to compete for parishioners. So it's common practice (for churches and businesses) to hide the purchaser behind a trust or other legal entity. Dirty pool, no! Standard practice, yes!"
The Anglicans, of course, are gentlemen. Although as heretics they don't have valid Holy Orders, they're The Establishment. They play cricket. They would never knowingly let any of their churches (let alone an historic one) be used by 'a group' which had been ousted from their territory (and then un-ousted) for breaking the rules - as they assume, because they don't know any more than anyone else does, why +Gielen expelled the FSSR - be used for poaching congregants from another Establishment.
We should be under no illusions about this unedifying (actually scandalous) persecution of the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer. The Vatican is in this instance pursuing its hellbent policy of exterminating the Traditional Latin Mass, simply because in the Traditional Latin Mass lies the truth Who is Jesus Christ, Rex Christus, Summus Sacerdos. As the Thomist theologian and liturgical scholar Dr Peter Kwasniewski asserts:
"We need to admit a colossal fact. The single greatest work of at in the entire Western tradition is the traditional solemn Latin Mass. This is also the peak of Catholic theology, the pinnacle of Western devotion to Christ, the summit of man's religious quest for transcendent beauty and order, the confluence of all that is noble and great in the cultural heritage of Jerusalem, Athens and Rome" (The Latin Mass, Fall 2023).
If they are to succeed in supplanting the ancient, authentic Roman rite of the TLM with a counterfeit church to suit the diktats of the Davos globalists, Antipope Francis and his woke N O, synodal hierarchy - including Bishop Michael Gielen and his canting chorus at Cathnews - must first eliminate traditional religious orders like the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer.
And that's what this brouhaha in Christchurch is all about.
Rt Rev’d Dr Peter R Carrell, BSc (Hons), BD, PhD, Anglican 'Bishop' of Christchurch |
Christchurch’s Anglican Diocese has reaffirmed its good relationship with the Catholic Diocese of Christchurch amid concerns about the sale of St Albans Church to the Transalpine Redemptorists.
The Anglican diocese recently sold St Albans via a trust. The church is now being used by the Sons of the Redeemer, also known as the Transalpine Redemptorists.
The group has drawn controversy over reported illicit exorcism practices and over unlicensed priests presiding over the Mass.
Reports raised questions about whether the vendors knowingly transferred the property to the group.
Not "the FSSR" or "the Redemptorists' but 'the group'.
However, the Anglican Diocese clarified that the trust’s stated purpose did not reveal any links to the Alpine Redemptorists.
'Reveal' as in show something that had been hidden.
They maintain a strong relationship with Bishop Michael Gielen and have kept him informed throughout the sale process.
“Bishop Michael and I have been in communication in the course of the past week” the Anglican bishop of Christchurch Dr Peter Carroll told CathNews.
Rt Rev’d Dr Peter R Carrell, BSc (Hons), BD, PhD.
“He understands that we sold the church in good faith to a potential ownership trust whose stated purposes betrayed no connection with the Alpine Redemptorists.
“We sold the church via a lawyer for a trust to be formed” Carroll explained.
“The name of the trust concerned a group styled ‘friends of St Albans’.
'Styled', as in, made to look attractive.
“At no point in our dealings with the lawyer was there information provided that identified that the effective owner would turn out be the Transalpine Redemptorists.”
Earlier this month CathNews reported that the “booted” Transalpine Redemptorists acquired a historic chapel.
Catholic Bishop Michael Gielen earlier this year ordered the Transalpine Redemptorists to leave the Christchurch Catholic Diocese.
He also ordered four of its priests to cease celebrating Mass and not to conduct other “priestly ministry” for anyone outside the religious community.
“It is important to underline that the removal of faculties remains in force, so any Masses the priests celebrate with members of the public are illicit – outside the law of the Church”, said Monsignor Brendan Daly, the canon lawyer acting for the Diocese of Christchurch.
From "Father Michael Mary wipes the floor with +Gielen", October 19 2024;
Father Michael Mary FSSR states unequivocally that "the claim made by Christchurch Diocese that the ‘Vatican upholds removal of priests' faculties’, and ‘a petition to have the removal of priestly faculties overturned was denied’ , is simply and inexcusably false.
+Daly confuses the decrees of Bishop Gielen with the law of the Catholic Church. His statement is a misrepresentation of canon law, not an explanation of it.
In the first place, Mons Daly seems to believe that the Dicastery has refused the appeal and upheld Bishop Gielen’s decree removing faculties. If this is the basis for his statement, then +Daly is clearly mistaken.
The law of the Church when it comes to the public celebration of Mass is not so simple as, “if the bishop forbids it then it is against canon law”. A bishop is given power under canon law and can only act according to canon law. The sole reason given by Bishop Gielen to the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer for removing their faculty to celebrate Mass is that the Sons no longer have a role in the Latin Mass Chaplaincy, and so their priestly ministry is no longer needed.
None of the decrees, indeed none of his communications with them or their canon lawyer, provides any other reason. The public celebration of Mass is so important to the priesthood that the law of the Church only permits this faculty to be removed as an extreme measure, and for certain defined reasons.
Canon 900 §2 states, ‘Any priest who is not debarred by canon law may lawfully celebrate the Eucharist…’ Being ‘debarred by canon law’ is much more serious than no longer being the chaplain of a group of Catholics, in general it means that a priest has been found guilty of a serious canonical crime and his faculty to celebrate Mass in public was removed as a penalty. This is simply not the case here.
A bishop may suspend or revoke the faculty to celebrate the Eucharist for a limited time if it is not a matter of a canonical crime; but such an administrative measure must be in due proportion to the alleged conduct. Bishop Gielen’s decrees allege nothing, but only state that the priests are no longer needed to minister in the Diocese.
His administrative act (removing faculties) is a grossly disproportionate response to a situation he himself created (taking the Latin Mass chaplaincy away from the Sons).https://juliadufresne.blogspot.com/2024/10/canon-lawyer-wipes-floor-with-gielen.html
Monsignor Brendan Daly |
Gielen’s decision followed a Vatican investigation into serious allegations against the Order, including sexual grooming and unauthorised exorcisms.
In early November, the Transalpine Redemptorists announced on its “Latin Mass Chaplaincy Christchurch” Facebook page that it had acquired St Albans Church in Ohoka, North Canterbury.Expelled Transapline Redemptorists play ‘dirty pool’
Solemn High Mass at the Altar of the Chair in the Basilica of St Peter, Oct. 30, 2021. |
ReplyDeleteIt seems though we've come two millennia, in some cases religious indoctrination hasn't moved.
Greg Rasmusen the reason why the teaching of the Church doesn't 'move' is that it can't change. Because the Catholic Church is Christ, Who is Truth Itself, on earth. Truth doesn't change. Ever.
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DeleteJulia du Fresne Nullious in verba.
Greg Rasmusen, I take you to mean 'nullius in verba'. Essentially I take only Christ's word for it, in Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
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ReplyDeleteThe modern Church condemns nothing apart from its Traditions.
ReplyDeleteYou lose all credibility when you claim Pope Francis is an antipope. If he is an antipope, who is the reigning pontiff?
Dario Rinaldi there isn't one. And not by any means for the first time in the history of the Church. And in believing Bergoglio to be an antipope I'm in very good company: Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano for one, and at last count seven Italian priests, one being the distinguished Fr Giorgio Maria Fare.
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DeleteJulia du Fresne okay. Everyone else claims hes the pope, including Cardinals Burke and Sarah.
There has never been someone occupying the See of Rome uncontested who was an antipope. In order for there to be an antipope, there has to be a valid pope reigning at the same time.
Also, Vigano has never referred to Bergoglio as an antipope.
And seven Italian priests. That's your consensus? Thousands of priests out there, including myself, and seven schismatics is enough for you to be certain?
Dario Rinaldi Almost everyone else has reasons to stay shtum. I don't.
DeleteThere was a valid pope, Benedict XVI, reigning at the time Bergoglio was illicitly elected.
Okay, Viganò has only called Bergoglio a "servant of satan" - but he also released a statement questioning Francis' validity- https://taylormarshall.com/2023/10/1031-vigano-francis-invalid-pope-podcast.html
And among the 'almost everyone else' I cite above are 'thousands of priests' who have reasons to stay shtum.
DeleteJulia du Fresne if Pope Benedict wad the reigning pontiff after Francis was elected, why did he repeatedly show his submission to him? Pope Benedict never contested Pope Francis' election. The idea that he resigned under duress is based off of nothing. No proof. No documentation. No canonical loophole.
Doesn't matter anyway. Pope Benedict has died, and Pope Francis is uncontested. He is the Pope. And your tiny minority of wishful thinkers doesn't change that.
Dario Rinaldi, it took only a tiny minority of eleven to change the entire world.
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And it’s not wishful thinking. We didn’t wish for an antipope, but here we are. More and more people are seeing this. Ann Barnhardt and Dr Edmund Mazza are just two who can articulately make the case for Jorge Bergoglio being an antipope. Abp Viganò has recently said that Jorge Bergoglio is not the pope… so what could that mean other than that he is an antipope?
DeleteDario Rinaldi "You lose all credibility when you claim Pope Francis is an antipope."
What is he then?
DeleteLiz Segura do you see Vigano as God in human form? Because you certainly think he is the embodiment of absolute truth.
DeleteLisa Charles Well, +Vigano called him 'a servant of Satan' ...
Julia du Fresne You will know them by their fruit.
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ReplyDeleteHere in Wanganui, we had 3 NO churches. One has closed down and is now a Montessori preschool!
DeleteOur SSPX chapel on the other hand is thriving with 2 or 3 Masses every day, and on Sundays overflowing with lots of large families! You shall know a tree by its fruit!
Our SSPX chapel on the other hand is thriving with 2 or 3 Masses every day, and on Sundays overflowing with lots of large families! You shall know a tree by its fruit!
Karen Raglan I'm very well aware of St Anthony's, Gonville. I envy you!
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ReplyDeleteWhat's fssr stand for?
Peter Z Ski sorry, I should have said; I tend to assume people have read the previous posts on this. The Congregation of the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer, aka Transalpine Redemptorists.
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DeleteJulia du Fresne where's the F, S, S and R fit into that?
DeletePeter Z Ski The Congregation of the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer (Latin: Filii Sanctissimi Redemptoris; FSSR), commonly known as The Sons and The Transalpine Redemptorists, are a religious institute of the Catholic Church canonically erected in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Aberdeen and based on Papa Stronsay in the Orkney Islands, Scotland, as well as in the city of Christchurch, New Zealand, until July 2024. They were formed in 1988 as a traditionalist offshoot of the Redemptorists, following a monastic rule based on that of Saint Alphonsus Liguori, and was later formally erected as a religious institute in 2012. See wiki at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_the_Most_Holy_Redeemer
Thank you Terry for compensating for my laziness.
ReplyDeleteThe FSSR fiasco in Christchurch is becoming a pain. All the backbiting and eye gouging going on in the church over this is typical of the battle between liberal and traditional camps. It's up to Bp Gielen to be a leader and sort this out, for the good of everyone.
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ReplyDeleteI'd like to suggest that the mods not allow sede posts here.
DeleteChris Lewis The FSSR are not sedes
DeleteDaniel Broache well the person posting this obviously is
DeleteLisa Newhouse Possibly, but being harshly critical doesn’t make you a sedevacantist.
ReplyDeleteWhat language is this post written in?
DeleteBrian Kallina it's an isolated language. Haha
ReplyDeleteBrian Kallina it's ethnic schizo
DeleteIts from New Zealand, where they speak English English, not American English!
Brian Kallina a dead language
DeleteBrian Kallina a dead language
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DeleteBrian Kallina an isolate of church speak mixed with undiagnosed personality disorder.
ReplyDeleteSedevacanists are anti-Catholic and anti-God.
Michael Hanak posts a meme saying Sedes equate to Protestants.
DeleteMichael Hanak, rubbish.
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DeleteNoels Famularo 2000 years of the Holy Spirit driving this rickety ship- and you’ve given up faith. Check yourselves.
DeleteMichael Hanak on the contrary Michael, I explained my faith but my comment was denied by the moderators. I forgive your naivety.
DeleteI'm a traditional Catholic from the cradle.
ReplyDeleteI don’t understand anything in this post.
DeleteTish Hartwick Taylor thank you, me either.
Tish Hartwick Taylor Did you click on the link and read the post?
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DeleteI'm employed, can some one translate?
DeleteFolks might do well to remember this is an international group.
DeleteNo clue what this is about…
Monique Conley did you click on the link and read the post?
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ReplyDeleteNot a focus on the Beauty of our faith. Looks like anger and politics.
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Bobby McCaffrey Yes indeed, it's anger and politics. Christus Rex, Summa Sacerdos, really and substantially present in the Most Holy Eucharist - the Traditional Latin Mass - is abused by His faithful FSSR priests' expulsion from Christchurch Diocese by Bishop Michael Gielen acting on 'recommendations' from the Vatican, for no stated reason.
ReplyDelete"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter…”
Jake Lanlon oh thank God for someone who can SEE.
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ReplyDeletethis is a sad post and indicative of the division Ultra Trads are promoting in the Chruch
Christopher Decker the post reports the fallout from the expulsion of the FSSR from Christchurch Diocese on the recommendations of the Vatican; and an educated guess that - going by Francis' record in regard to the TLM and traditional religious orders - it is the TLM which is the object of the exercise. It is indeed sad, but this division is promoted by the Vatican and complaisant bishops, not by 'Ultra Trads'. For the first of several posts on this subject see: https://juliadufresne.blogspot.com/2024/07/antipope-francis-expels-most-holy-sons.html
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ReplyDeleteNone of these persons nor groups involved are schismatic? All of the commenters here (several comments were made which were not relevant to the post and have not been published here - ed) are on hair-trigger suspicions, and need to read the post.
FSSR is just the Fraternity-associated Redemptorists on Orkney Island?
Deletere read the post. you, if you are honest, see the sschismatic in it.
Deletejust take a look at what they say about Francis, among other things.
Christopher Decker to hold the opinion that Francis is an antipope is not 'schismatic'.
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DeleteAlan Jordan Sebastian I read the post. It's not in Orkney Islands Scotland, it's in Christchurch, New Zealand (the other side of the world)
DeleteTracey Pappalo Yes, the mother house of the order is in the Orkney Islands. FSSR Christchurch originated in the Orkneys and is New Zealand's first home-grown religious order.
ReplyDeleteSomeone who split off from the Catholic Church finds fault with a real estate deal in New Zealand.
DeleteMary Lynn Edwards the Marist publication 'Cathnews' would be interested to hear that they've 'split off from the Catholic Church'. (Although actually I would agree with that premise.)
ReplyDeleteShe's a Sedevacantist, part of a group that split from the Catholic Church
ReplyDeleteThere is nothing beautiful in this post by people who presumably call themselves Catholics and/or Christians.
There is no evidence of love of neighbour or anything charitable (as required of Catholics) in this unintelligible rant, in my view.
I join with everyone else in asking the Admins/Mods to remove it as it's in breach of Group Rules which we're all expected to abide by. If it's reported by enough people to Facebook the whole group could risk being removed altogether
Sounds like Karen has found a new complaint.
ReplyDeleteJulia du Fresne is referring to this article in the New Zealand Catholic Newspaper called "CathNews." She seems to be upset that a group called Transalpine Redemotorists were asked to leave the diocese for sexually grooming children. The Transalpine Redemotorists (called FSSR, not FSSP) are a clerical order of diocesan rite. The bishop legitimately has the authority to ask them to leave the diocese. He did so upon recommendation by the Vatican after a number of unauthorized exorcisms. The group appealed to the bishop to reconsider. He changed his mind and allowed all but 4 FSSR priests back into the diocese to legitimately practice their priestly functions. The grouo, which prays Holy Mass, in the extraordinary form purchased the structure of an old closed Anglican parish previously called St. Alban's Church. They re-named the church. This will not ve a public church, but their private priory. They will celebrate community masses there. If others want to join in, they may do so, but the priory is not a place they can register to attend as their local parish. As all have written, this post is outside of the focus of this group and so does not belong.
ReplyDeletehttps://cathnews.co.nz/.../booted-transalpine.../
Mary Reinhardt you make unfounded allegations which because you took Cathnews as your authority are entirely understandable. In its editorial content Cathnews is lamentably post-conciliar, Novus Ordo, Synodal and Bergoglian. Please go to juliadufresne.blogspot.com
Deleteto read several posts in connection with this trumped-up affair, the real target of which is the Traditional Latin Mass.
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ReplyDeleteThey made their own mistake by making a deal with the Vatican.They need to reunite with the SSPX
Ryan Logan if by 'they' you mean the FSSR, could you cite your reference please?
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The Congregation of the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer (Latin: Filii Sanctissimi Redemptoris; FSSR), commonly known as The Sons and The Transalpine Redemptorists, are a religious institute of the Catholic Church canonically erected in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Aberdeen and based on Papa Stronsay in the Orkney Islands, Scotland, as well as in the city of Christchurch, New Zealand, until July 2024
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The Congregation of the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer (Latin: Filii Sanctissimi Redemptoris; FSSR), commonly known as The Sons and The Transalpine Redemptorists, are a religious institute of the Catholic Church canonically erected in the Roman Catholic Diocese of Aberdeen and based on Papa Stronsay in the Orkney Islands, Scotland, as well as in the city of Christchurch, New Zealand, until July 2024