Friday, 29 November 2024

COVID INQUIRY: ARDERN SOWED THE WIND, NZ REAPS

 

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90 more deaths every week in New Zealand now than before the Covid jab. Roughly. That's about 18,000 more deaths than expected, since February 2021.


Just one year before that, in March 2020, chief architect of the Covid response PM Jacinda Ardern had ushered into Parliament her heinous Abortion Legislation Act (ALA) and the uptake of medical abortion increased, in 2020, by a staggering 48% on the previous year. And in October that year New Zealanders rewarded her with a stunning victory at the polls. 


Do not be deceived, God is not mocked (Gal 6,7). There is an appalling poetic justice in the synchronicity of fall-out from Ardern's ALA and her other chief accomplishment, the mRNA Pfizer jab. As New Zealand's adored 'single source of truth', she deceived the nation, and sentenced it to a slow death. Rejecting His gift of life to the unborn by the crime of abortion has cost New Zealand 600,000 lives - over 14,000 in 2022 alone. That's 39 babies slaughtered legally every day, contributing in 2020 to the total fertility rate dropping to 1.61 births per woman, its lowest recorded level, and well below the population replacement rate of 2.1.


So 'cookers' or 'conspiracy theorists' who are rightfully indignant about excess deaths, heart disease, turbo cancers, autism & visible neurological disorders linked to the ONLY common denominator of the Pfizer MRNA jab, should realise that in voting for death by abortion New Zealand sowed the wind. For they shall sow wind, and reap a whirlwind, there is no standing stalk in it, the bud shall yield no meal; and if it should yield, strangers shall eat it (Hos 8,7). 



Weekly mortality numbers from NZ Stats since 2020 - NZ Stats stopped releasing this data in August


A round-up of social media comments on Tony Blakely's Covid Inquiry Report, so far:

Tony Blakely was one of the loudest scientific voices supporting Premier Daniel Andrews’ bitterly contested campaign to eliminate COVID-19 in Victoria. Is he totally unaware of the large ACC payment to vaccine-affected people to date?


Blakely was Dan Andrews' (Victoria's PM) head advisor during Covid. He cannot be impartial without implicating himself.


New Zealand is one of the few countries still promoting this poison.


JACINDA ARDERN threw Chippy Hipkins under the bus. Jacinda is notably not present;  she abandoned him and New Zealand to maintain her Messiah cmplex overseas. May it be as hard for her to ever return to NZ as it was for Kiwis who missed family funerals in lockdown. Yes, Chippy was Health/Covid Response Minister, and he deserves every piece of this investigation, and every scrutiny. BUT we all know it was Jacinda Ardern who was the ‘Sole Source of Truth’.


David Seymour is disingenuous: 

David Seymour, don't pretend for a second that you didn't 100% support her f**king illegal mandates & mRNA jab pseudoscience lies.

 

"Lockdowns in Auckland had “cumulative and multifaceted” impacts, from economic to physical and mental health. Disproportionately affected were Maori, Pasifika, lower socio and students" Ardern the coward, hiding in the US, owes NZers a public apology.






https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/covid-19-inquiry-major-report-questions-whether-harm-from-vaccine-mandates-outweighed-benefits/DHR6QQ7A3FFXFMQBBZ7IVJAE74/

www.rnz.co.nz › news › national"Covid-19 inquiry head asks if vaccine mandates were too harsh" - wasn't Blakely supposed to answer questions rather than ask them"?



And a backgrounder:  


Days after this Blog released its Two Minute Covid Inquiry, which argued Labour Leader and former Covid-19 Minister, Chris Hipkins, together with former PM Ardern, and Health Chief, Ashley Bloomfield, ordered the Covid vaccine late, which crushed the NZ economy and smashed trust in government as it forced them into an over-reliance on lock-downs in 2021, the Australian Covid Inquiry has released near identical findings, almost word-for-word:

 

The first wide-ranging inquiry into the nation’s pandemic response has found delays procuring COVID-19 vaccines cost lives and delivered a $31 billion hit to the economy.

 

In NZ’s case, it was a $15 billion hit, which is why our health system is now underfunded, infrastructure crumbles and teachers underpaid. Australia and NZ matched each other in terms of snail’s pace vaccine roll-out, probably because we copied each other, and didn’t match world best practice.

 

https://www.sciencemediacentre.co.nz/2024/11/28/the-royal-commission-on-covid-19-lessons-learned-smc-media-briefing/



This Blog, and myself, were savaged by the Labour Government at the time, mainly via by its henchmen in the Main Stream Media, for daring to argue the late order had caused a calamity for NZ.

 

Sir John Key defended us. NewsTalk ZB put me on their show. No one else.

 

The following lines from the Sydney Morning Herald are most telling:

 

Australians don’t need reminding of what it feels like to be subject to stay-at-home orders, .. five-person picnics, made to wear face masks outdoors or get vaccinated to go to work. Most lived through it. What is now clear is that they won’t do it again.

 

Not according to Mr Bloomfield’s editorial in the latest NZ Medical Journal. He says we need even more stringent lockdowns next time around, involving NZ’s “security services” and full “security apparatus”, which I presume means the army and SIS intelligence services.

 

At least the tell-it-as-it-is Aussies state in their Inquiry that the main lesson is how the Ardern-Hipkins-Bloomfield style approach destroys society as we know it. These lines from the Australian Inquiry can be photocopied to the NZ experience:

Australians’ trust has been eroded, health systems are struggling & inflation pressures from government pandemic stimulus are still hurting the economy five years after the first COVID-19 case was detected, the first wide-ranging Inquiry into the national response has found …


Our "dear Dr Bloomfield"

 

The most disturbing finding from the Inquiry released on Tuesday is that trust among Australians has been eroded. It's so broken that surveys find 1 in 5 people would not get a vaccine offered by the government in a future health emergency. Only 3 in 10 had high trust in the federal government to have done the right thing at the height of the pandemic. This will be its most damaging legacy.

 

The latest Trust surveys in New Zealand record a similar across-the-board erosion of trust.

 

The Inquiry delivered a resolute verdict about how our leaders failed us. Trust started high. But as the months wore on and sacrifices piled up, they didn’t explain their actions. Nor were those actions based on evidence.


self-explanatory

 

 

Widespread school closures, for example, were never recommended by the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee. Children are still affected by hits to their mental health, school attendance and academic outcomes. Vaccine mandates are an even more concerning case study.

NZ doesn’t need to waste money on Covid Inquiries. The Aussies have done ours for us. It matches what this Blog argued since 2021, as evidenced by our writings and radio interviews.

Maybe more than any other institution, our Main Stream Media – Radio NZ, One News, Herald, Newshub (who phoned me to get stuck into my late-order-vaccine claims and discredit me) and Stuff – should take a look at themselves and ask why they sold out Kiwis by not objectively scrutinizing NZ’s government during those times.

No wonder you’re bankrupting. No-one likes you or trusts you anymore.

Sources:

This article by Professor Robert MacCulloch was first posted on Down to Earth Kiwi.




Tuesday, 26 November 2024

IS BISHOP GIELEN A DOG IN THE MANGER?

 

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Anglican St Alban's - SOLD to the FSSR 


The day you see, in two Hawke's Bay Novus Ordo churches, something called a 'gifting tree' instead of a Christmas tree is not improved by reading gutter journalism from a publication claiming to be Marist. In a beat-up worthy of its origin - "Paddy Gower has Issues" - Cathnews aka Cathspews continues its vendetta against the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer (FSSR or Transalpine Redemptorists ) in Christchurch. 


The Marist knickers being well and truly in a twist, they're calling FSSR's purchase of the historic St Alban's chapel in Ohoka, North Canterbury, "dirty pool". In other words,  in following standard business practice for such transactions, the Sons are dishonest and unfair. Surely a Catholic publication cannot mean to say such a horrid thing? Or to paint the unhappy Bishop Michael Gielen as a dog in the manger, as Cathnews does? Cathnews will only have itself to blame if the Sons take it to court, as they did Bishop Gielen. 


The thing is, Christchurch Catholic Diocese can't afford to buy an historic church and hasn't got a congregation to put in it anyway, but it obviously does not want the FSSR to have St Alban's either. 


What's more, Cathnews would have us believe that if the Anglicans had only known that the would-be purchasers of St Alban's were those dastardly villainous Sons, they wouldn't have taken their money. Because, you know, there are 'concerns' about the sale. Whose concerns? Cathnews doesn't say. Cathnews hastens to remind us that the FSSR "has drawn controversy over reported illicit exorcism practices and over unlicensed priests presiding over the Mass". Drawn controversy from whom? Paddy Gower? 


Nothing so juicy as 'illicit exorcisms' and 'sexual grooming' has come Cathnews' way in aeons, and they are determined to milk this for all its worth. Normally all they have to rely on is the latest heresy from Antipope Francis or his mouthpieces like Bishop Peter Cullinane and Fr Joe Grayland - whose little spat over last Sunday's lamentable 'Litany of Lament' enlivens their current issue. 


Oh, and their suggestion that laity should have "a greater voice in choosing bishops" - a bad idea promoted by Monsignor Brendan Daly, canon lawyer for Christchurch Diocese. (But surely there could be no bishop more to the liking of the post-conciliar, Novus Ordo Synodal Bergoglian sect than Bishop Michael Gielen?)


Mons Daly wants us to believe that the FSSR priests are 'unlicensed' (whatever that might mean) and their Masses are "illicit". Fact is, the Sons' priestly faculties have been suspended but they continue to celebrate Holy Mass as all priests must, daily - and if the faithful turn up as they do and should, does Monsignor Daly think the Sons should turn them away?


"Reports raised questions", says Cathnews,"about whether the vendors knowingly transferred the property to the group." Whose reports? And why should the Anglican Diocese not transfer their property to 'the group'? What business is it of Cathnews whether they knew to whom they were selling, or not? 


A business-savvy reader of this blog comments that "no church wants to sell premises to another church who will use the premises to compete for parishioners. So it's common practice (for churches and businesses) to hide the purchaser behind a trust or other legal entity.  Dirty pool, no!  Standard practice, yes!"

 

The Anglicans, of course, are gentlemen. Although as heretics they don't have valid Holy Orders, they're The Establishment. They play cricket. They would never knowingly let any of their churches (let alone an historic one) be used by 'a group' which had been ousted from their territory (and then un-ousted) for breaking the rules - as they assume, because they don't know any more than anyone else does, why +Gielen expelled the FSSR - be used for poaching congregants from another Establishment. 


We should be under no illusions about this unedifying (actually scandalous) persecution of the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer. The Vatican is in this instance pursuing its hellbent policy of exterminating the Traditional Latin Mass, simply because in the Traditional Latin Mass lies the truth Who is Jesus Christ, Rex Christus, Summus Sacerdos. As the Thomist theologian and liturgical scholar Dr Peter Kwasniewski asserts: 


"We need to admit a colossal fact. The single greatest work of at in the entire Western tradition is the traditional solemn Latin Mass. This is also the peak of Catholic theology, the pinnacle of Western devotion to Christ, the summit of man's religious quest for transcendent beauty and order, the confluence of all that is noble and great in the cultural heritage of Jerusalem, Athens and Rome" (The Latin Mass, Fall 2023).   


If they are to succeed in supplanting the ancient, authentic Roman rite of the TLM with a counterfeit church to suit the diktats of the Davos globalists, Antipope Francis and his woke N O, synodal hierarchy - including Bishop Michael Gielen and his canting chorus at Cathnews - must first eliminate traditional religious orders like the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer.


And that's what this brouhaha in Christchurch is all about.



Rt Rev’d Dr Peter R Carrell, BSc (Hons), BD, PhD, Anglican 'Bishop' of Christchurch


Christchurch’s Anglican Diocese has reaffirmed its good relationship with the Catholic Diocese of Christchurch amid concerns about the sale of St Albans Church to the Transalpine Redemptorists.

 

The Anglican diocese recently sold St Albans via a trust. The church is now being used by the Sons of the Redeemer, also known as the Transalpine Redemptorists.

 

The group has drawn controversy over reported illicit exorcism practices and over unlicensed priests presiding over the Mass.

 

Reports raised questions about whether the vendors knowingly transferred the property to the group.


Not "the FSSR" or "the Redemptorists' but 'the group'.  

 

However, the Anglican Diocese clarified that the trust’s stated purpose did not reveal any links to the Alpine Redemptorists.


'Reveal' as in show something that had been hidden. 


They maintain a strong relationship with Bishop Michael Gielen and have kept him informed throughout the sale process.

 

“Bishop Michael and I have been in communication in the course of the past week” the Anglican bishop of Christchurch Dr Peter Carroll told CathNews.


 

                                        Rt Rev’d Dr Peter R Carrell, BSc (Hons), BD, PhD.



“He understands that we sold the church in good faith to a potential ownership trust whose stated purposes betrayed no connection with the Alpine Redemptorists.

 

“We sold the church via a lawyer for a trust to be formed” Carroll explained.

 

“The name of the trust concerned a group styled ‘friends of St Albans’. 


'Styled', as in, made to look attractive. 

 

“At no point in our dealings with the lawyer was there information provided that identified that the effective owner would turn out be the Transalpine Redemptorists.”

 

Earlier this month CathNews reported that the “booted” Transalpine Redemptorists acquired a historic chapel.


Catholic Bishop Michael Gielen earlier this year ordered the Transalpine Redemptorists to leave the Christchurch Catholic Diocese.

 

He also ordered four of its priests to cease celebrating Mass and not to conduct other “priestly ministry” for anyone outside the religious community.

 

“It is important to underline that the removal of faculties remains in force, so any Masses the priests celebrate with members of the public are illicit – outside the law of the Church”, said Monsignor Brendan Daly, the canon lawyer acting for the Diocese of Christchurch.


From "Father Michael Mary wipes the floor with +Gielen", October 19 2024;


Father Michael Mary FSSR states unequivocally that "the claim made by Christchurch Diocese that the ‘Vatican upholds removal of priests' faculties’, and ‘a petition to have the removal of priestly faculties overturned was denied’ , is simply and inexcusably false. 
+Daly confuses the decrees of Bishop Gielen with the law of the Catholic Church. His statement is a misrepresentation of canon law, not an explanation of it.


In the first place, Mons Daly seems to believe that the Dicastery has refused the appeal and upheld Bishop Gielen’s decree removing faculties. If this is the basis for his statement, then +Daly is clearly mistaken.


The law of the Church when it comes to the public celebration of Mass is not so simple as, “if the bishop forbids it then it is against canon law”. A bishop is given power under canon law and can only act according to canon law. The sole reason given by Bishop Gielen to the Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer for removing their faculty to celebrate Mass is that the Sons no longer have a role in the Latin Mass Chaplaincy, and so their priestly ministry is no longer needed. 


None of the decrees, indeed none of his communications with them or their canon lawyer, provides any other reason. The public celebration of Mass is so important to the priesthood that the law of the Church only permits this faculty to be removed as an extreme measure, and for certain defined reasons.

 

Canon 900 §2 states, ‘Any priest who is not debarred by canon law may lawfully celebrate the Eucharist…’ Being ‘debarred by canon law’ is much more serious than no longer being the chaplain of a group of Catholics, in general it means that a priest has been found guilty of a serious canonical crime and his faculty to celebrate Mass in public was removed as a penalty. This is simply not the case here.


A bishop may suspend or revoke the faculty to celebrate the Eucharist for a limited time if it is not a matter of a canonical crime; but such an administrative measure must be in due proportion to the alleged conduct. Bishop Gielen’s decrees allege nothing, but only state that the priests are no longer needed to minister in the Diocese.

 

His administrative act (removing faculties) is a grossly disproportionate response to a situation he himself created (taking the Latin Mass chaplaincy away from the Sons).https://juliadufresne.blogspot.com/2024/10/canon-lawyer-wipes-floor-with-gielen.html 

 

 

Monsignor Brendan Daly



Gielen’s decision followed a Vatican investigation into serious allegations against the Order, including sexual grooming and unauthorised exorcisms.

 

In early November, the Transalpine Redemptorists announced on its “Latin Mass Chaplaincy Christchurch” Facebook page that it had acquired St Albans Church in Ohoka, North Canterbury.Expelled Transapline Redemptorists play ‘dirty pool’



 Solemn High Mass at the Altar of the Chair in the Basilica of St Peter, Oct. 30, 2021.








Sunday, 24 November 2024

MAORI SEATS, UN, LUXON: GOT TO GO


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Three things: the Maori seats must go. United Nations must go. Luxon must go. 


Maori are ridiculously over-represented in Parliament. Separate seats are patronising to Maori, whose innate abilities render special treatment unnecessary. New Zealand's membership of United Nations and UNDRIP obligations of special treatment for 'indigenous people' (which doesn't apply to Maori anyway) are unnecessary. Prime Minister Luxon, with his penchant for globalism, is unnecessary. For a nation strapped for cash and principles the Maori seats, the UN and Luxon are useless trappings and must be dispensed with. Forthwith.


The British brought Christianity and its civilising influence to a primitive race. The sermons of John Henry Newman, berating his Anglican hearers (paragons of virtue and culture compared with their modern counterparts ) reflect the blessings wrought by the Brits on 19th century Maoridom.  


But last week's hikoi displayed nothing so much as self-indulgence, racism and greed. Ordinary Kiwis busy earning their living just let them get on with it. But imagine a march supporting the Treaty Principles Bill. How far would it get without violence inflicted by Te Paati Maori, egged on by the legacy media and with police turning a blind eye? 



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New Zealand’s history is messy, fascinating, and occasionally absurd. The Maoris weren’t exactly sitting around in a utopia when the Europeans turned up. They were busy having a go at each other in tribal warfare and, yes, usually eating the losers.

 


The British didn’t arrive with halos over their heads either, but they did bring literacy, a legal system and building standards for a life above the dirt.

 

They also brought an uncanny knack for signing treaties which actually meant something substantial when they were signed. The representatives of Queen Victoria would never have signed a treaty in her name without guaranteeing her full sovereignty over that colony. To say otherwise is part of the 'occasionally absurd’ bit.

 

History is full of uncomfortable truths, and we need to face them without indulging in the fashionable guilt or grievance narratives that dominate today’s hysterical reactions. And I mean hysterical.

 

https://juliadufresne.blogspot.com/2024/11/hikoi-of-hysteria-whipped-up-by-nzs-left.html


 


Maoris were a tribal warrior society. They had their own cultural norms, some of which— like cannibalism — were undeniably primitive in the extreme. But the Europeans didn’t come to destroy Maori; they came to build a civilisation along with the Christian ethic of treating others as equals before God, that was the goal.


 

Thank God it was the British and not the French or Portuguese who did the colonising. British missionaries, in particular, out of genuine affection, preserved the Maori language and even tried to mediate conflicts between tribes hell-bent on bloodlust, like Te Rauparaha's, no doubt screaming their “Ka Mate” haka while carving a bloody gash across the Waikato leaving nothing but misery and slaughter in their wake.

 


Far from eradicating Maori culture, many of the British were instrumental in safeguarding its survival. They recorded their language, they intermarried and mingled their bloodlines together and above all they formed valuable and much desired friendships. The British and Maori became kinsmen.


 

Yet, what do we see today? A toxic culture of division being perpetuated by activists who are only interested in ginning-up resentment. Instead of celebrating the benefits of a shared heritage — one that includes Western advancements that raised the standard of living for everyone — these agitators push for separatism. Co-governance, race-based laws, and constant demands for ‘decolonisation’ are going to rip our social fabric apart.  

 


 

Hysteria is catching. Even All Blacks can get it


​Here’s the truth: no nation can survive on the basis of two separate legal systems, one for one race and one for another. That is not equality, it’s apartheid, plain and simple. And what makes it worse is that this divisive ideology is being peddled under the guise of liberal ‘justice.’


Pedded even by so-called Christians:


Wellington's Monsignor Gerard Burns and the Anglican Bishop of Wellington, the Most Reverend Justin Duckworth, both walked alongside thousands of others protesting the Government’s Treaty Principles Bill on Tuesday
Both church leaders spoke of issues like social justice, a shared history and the need to uphold the treasure of the Treaty.https://cathnews.co.nz/2024/11/21/the-hikoi-was-important-say-catholic-and-anglican-leaders/


Is the Novus Ordo Church still running those hypocritical 'social justice' seminars all about climate change/global warming where the sacrifice of thousands of NZ's unborn children to Moloch was NEVER MENTIONED?



It’s not liberal it’s just woke and it’s not justice, it’s Maori supremacy, brought to you by the United Nations.

 

We need to reject this path and embrace the only principles that made New Zealand a success: equality before the law, individual rights, and a shared national identity. We should respect Maori heritage, but respect isn’t achieved by bending the knee to historical grievances or rewriting the rules of governance to privilege one group over many others.

 


Maori culture, like Western culture, is worth preserving — and not through racial favouritism or endless guilt-tripping about colonisation. It’s preserved through genuine pride, mutual respect, and the recognition that we’re all citizens of the same country.

 


Kiwis are some of the most patriotic people you’ll ever meet. There’s a pride that runs deep in this country — pride in our way of life, pride in the freedoms we enjoy, and pride in the fact that we’ve created a society which, despite its flaws, is still one of the best in the world to live in. We’re fiercely protective of our home, our culture and our shared history.

 


 



So when we talk about Maori and Pakeha relations, it’s important to remember that the vast majority of New Zealanders — regardless of their background — are united in their love for this country. They want a future where we can all live side by side as equals, without the need for separate laws or ignoring the past or rejecting the Treaty; it’s about building a future that reflects the reality of what New Zealand is today: a diverse but unified country, where every person, regardless of their ancestry, has the same rights and accountabilities.


 

Many activists will try to tell you that New Zealand’s history is one of unrelenting oppression. They will paint colonisation as an unmitigated evil. Yes, colonialism was never perfect but I'm damn sick of the ‘apologitis’ which has become nothing more than a political virtue signal. When Maori make a formal apology to the descendants of the almost-genocided Moriori, let me know and I’ll die on the spot from pure shock.

 


Maori culture is invaluable and deserves respect, but so does the rest of New Zealand’s history and all of its people.


 

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The Hikoi protest is nothing short of divisive. Protest is a legitimate form of free expression but when it’s used as a weapon to tear apart a nation it crosses a tragic line. The Hikoi is driven by activists who insist on highlighting Maori grievances to the exclusion of everything else and only serves to entrench hatred in this land.


 

What’s missing from the Hikoi is any genuine effort to heal and move forward together as one people. It’s one thing to acknowledge the past and its injustices, but it’s another entirely to hold the whole nation hostage to those grievances, as if the only way forward is by continually looking back upon one group of people. The reality is, most separate systems of governance. This isn’t about Kiwis want the same thing — respect for Maori culture and respect for our European heritage which gave us a parliament (and everything else).

 


 


 

It’s time to stop using history as a weapon to divide us. New Zealand should be better than this. We don’t need more race-based activism; we need unity, a shared vision for the future, and a commitment to ensuring every Kiwi — regardless of their background— has an equal shot at success.

 


Christopher Luxon’s weak-kneed approach to the Treaty Principles Bill is exactly what NZ does not need. At a time when Kiwis are yearning for strong leadership that stands up for unity and fair-mindedness, Luxon is pandering to the loudest voices, and it’s not just unmanly, cowardly and disgusting, it’s dangerous.


 



 

Rather than taking a firm stand for one law for all New Zealanders, he’s bending over backwards to appease those pushing a race-based agenda. He’s sending the message that we’re willing to accept two sets of rules for two sets of people. That’s not leadership; that’s total capitulation.

 


Kiwis are royally pissed at the constant ass-kissing. We want a New Zealand that’s united — not a country fractured along racial lines. Luxon should be advocating for the solid democratic principles that once built this country: equality before the law and a shared national identity, not this milquetoast compromising that does nothing but embolden the separatist nutters and their backward bollox of an agenda.

 


Leadership is about making tough decisions, not chasing “likes.” Not facilitating a way forward for Winston Peters and David Seymour, both important leaders within his coalition government, to work together to achieve one law for all, shows you Luxon does not want that. Never trust a globalist.  He has failed the leadership test. We need someone who will stand up for what’s right, not what’s convenient.

 


So what’s the solution? It’s very, very simple: equality before the law.

 


One law applies to all New Zealand citizens, no exceptions. We respect the past, but we don’t let it dictate the future needlessly. We celebrate our shared heritage — warts and all — and focus on building a country where everyone has a fair go regardless of their ancestry. That means ditching the guilt trips, the victimhood, and especially the craven  pandering.OLIVIA PIERSON: A Hikoi Versus a Country