Sunday, 3 November 2024

NZ SECRETLY HARVESTING ORGANS OF THE EUTHANISED


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A doco on forced organ harvesting from living Falun Gong practitioners and prisoners of conscience in China.




In an effectively pagan country like New Zealand, what's to stop a bunch of bureaucrats and medicos removing organs from the euthanised? Nothing, apparently. Once upon a time the Catholic Church would have breathed fire and brimstone on the very idea of assisted suicide, let alone making hay out of the situation, and that would have been that. But the Novus Ordo church has reneged on the Gospel and so paves the way for evil.



Remember how Ardern's New Zealand was feted as a world leader in stopping transmission of Covid-19? That didn't age well, did it? New Zealand is only the seventh country to do 'assisted dying organ donations' and that won't age well either.


Because the state, unfettered now by Christian considerations but burdened with an aging population, stands to feather its nest with organs harvested from people who've opted to kill themselves. That way it's more efficient - the medical vultures can gather around the corpse beforehand, so to speak. Not to mention greedy rellies suggesting that as Dad's going to die anyway he could make the best of a bad thing by donating some body part to save the life of someone else. The implications are horrifying and we should have seen it coming.




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Brendan Malone, Director of LifeNET, has something to say about this unsavoury - not to say sinister - development in New Zealand's already sadly compromised medical profession:

 

NZ is now harvesting the organs of people who have been euthanised. No public or political debate was undertaken before this started happening. A group of unelected bureaucrats simply colluded and created a framework and then started harvesting organs.


The ideal conditions for organ harvesting occur when a donor's death is foreseen and controllable. This creates greater risk for a donor under these circumstances, and yet another point of potential and very powerful coercive forces upon a vulnerable patient.

 

Sadly, most Kiwis who voted in the referendum back in 2020 had no idea of the disastrous chain of events they would be setting in motion by passing this law. brendan malone

 

What are the ethical implications of harvesting organs from euthanasia patients? Just a couple of weeks ago, on October 11, Organ Donations NZ (ODNZ, New Zealand's official organ donor agency) quietly posted the following update on their website: "Assisted Dying Donation: A New Conversation.

 

"Assisted Dying became available in Aotearoa, NZ in November 2021. About 800 people have chosen Assisted Dying, mostly due to a terminal cancer diagnosis and mostly at home with an IV bag to administer medications. ODNZ has been working with the Ministry of Health, Te Whata Ora, transplant teams, GPs and assisted dying practitioners to develop a national strategy for assisted dying donation.

 

First, it was determined through legal consultation that assisted dying donation can and does exist in compliance with New Zealand law. After that, we iteratively developed an ethics framework for assisted dying donation to provide appropriate safeguards and maintain public trust."

 

I should note, as you're probably well aware by now, they did this without any public consultation and in what appears to be largely total secrecy, hidden from the public view.


So hardly off to a great start if you're looking for public trust.

 

"We sought feedback from experts in palliative care and medical ethics, as well as presenting the principles to the Clinical Ethics Advisory Group (CEAG) at Totoka Tumae, Auckland. We have now submitted it to the Ministry of Health Assisted Dying Group for further feedback and will eventually submit it to the National Ethics Advisory Committee.

 

"The process for assisted dying donation has been specifically developed to be as similar to our current donation practices as possible. So far we have had about 20 referrals from motivated patients and GPs all over the country.

 

"We had had a couple of eye tissue donations and recently our first organ donation after an assisted death. It was a huge team effort. With support from overseas, we are now the seventh country in the world to have undertaken assisted dying donation. Our amazing donor coordinators and clinicians went above and beyond to support the wishes of an incredibly generous patient and their whanau who successfully donated her kidneys and lungs."

 

How could this actually happen? What you have here is a classic example of  technocracy. The unelected bureaucratic managerial class colluded and created a policy and then just started enacting that policy. There was no public oversight, no public consultation, there was no involvement of our elected representatives.


A group of bureaucrats just crafted a brand new policy and then started doing it. And what's really troubling is that they are clearly stating in this particular statement that they have already started the feedback process. Just listen to what they say.

 

"We have now submitted it to the Ministry of Health Assisted Dying Group for further feedback and will eventually submit it to the National Ethics Advisory Committee." 

 

Yet the very next paragraph tells us that they have already started harvesting organs from euthanasia patients. How could this be happening if the Ministry of Health Assisted Dying Group have not provided their feedback and the National Ethics Advisory Committee haven't given their feedback? That seems to be the indication based on what's written in this public statement from them.

Secondly, what you're seeing here is just an inevitable next step in legalised euthanasia. Once you open that particular Pandora's box, all sorts of other things start manifesting themselves as well. And by the way, this is not the Last of the things that we are yet to discover the hard way, that come as part and parcel of legalising assisted suicide and euthanasia.


Thirdly, you need to understand euthanasia in a much bigger context, and that is the context of the fact that we are living in a corporatized, bureaucratized, technocratic state which is governing a society that has no longer any sense of sacred, transcendent, religious moral order, and which now has utilitarianism as its primary moral role.


So is there utility in doing a particular action? If we can show a good outcome, there's some utility in it, then why wouldn't we do that thing? And on top of that, we now live in an age of self gratification and rampant consumerism. We have built a world, we have crafted an entire civilization now upon consumption. So in that context, euthanasia isn't simply the ultimate act of liberalism - I will end myself and all my future choices with this one final suicidal act.


But it's also another opportunity for societal consumerism and utility to be manifested. We have an increasing healthcare budget due to an increasingly ageing population. And that's just the fact of life. There's no problem with that. We have more elderly people than we have had previously. And that ageing population requires the lion's share of our healthcare budget. And they have earned that lion's share and they're totally entitled to it.


But that also creates a problem when you're doing the budgeting and the accountancy, the economics of this and the resourcing that you have available, it suddenly doesn't quite all add up. Now, euthanasia deaths, on the other hand, in this current climate and with this current set of circumstances, they are a cost saving measure. They save the state money.


We also now have disproportionately more people in need of donor organs than we actually have donors with organs to donate. On top of this, harvesting organs under current circumstances is not as effective as harvesting organs from a patient whose death can be foreseen, planned and controlled. It's a far more effective way of harvesting the organs.


These are the ideal conditions under which you would want to harvest organs. So when it comes to organ harvesting from euthanized patients, the state can both save money and meet another pressing healthcare demand in the most effective and efficient way possible. In this scheme, the human person is reduced to little more than a commodity, an object in the bureaucratic state's economic plan.


And as if that weren't enough,  the way in which this has come about also represents an institutionalised arrogance and disregard for the people of New Zealand. A major change has been wrought upon us without us even being made aware that it was on the table. Not even our elected representatives were debating this.


A group of unelected technocrats simply decided they would start doing this and then crafted a policy to allow it. And then they started doing it. And it's quite interesting, they make the point that they had some legal consultation which told them there were no legal hurdles to them doing this.


I've got to ask myself, in light of that, how many voters, and that's to say nothing of the politicians, were aware that the legislation was so poorly crafted that it didn't even cover some of these basic questions, like what about euthanasia and organ donation? Because there are some big ethical issues here, there are some risks.


And don't say, "oh but that's China". One day it could be New Zealand. 


I know some people out there will be tempted to say, well, what's the big deal? We've legalised euthanasia, it's just an organ donation. But it's under a slightly different set of circumstances, isn't it? There's no big deal here, it's just a slightly different form of patient death. Isn't the outcome still the same? Well, no, there are some differences here and those differences really matter.


First of all, there is the risk of a brand new potential point of very serious and very powerful coercion that can be levied upon a patient. Now, so, for example, bad actors within a family who have ulterior motives and have some reason to gain from a premature death of a relative could actually utilise this new development as a point of emotional manipulation upon the person in their family who is suffering and dying.


Some people out there are going to say "Brendan, that'll never happen. You've got such a low view of families. People love their parents."


Yep. Thankfully, a lot of people do love their parents. They love their kids, they love their aunts, their uncles and their other relatives who get sick and ill. But guess what? There's also a lot of people out there who actually don't.


We have a problem in this country already with something called elder abuse. And the most common forms of elder abuse are psychological and financial in nature. Sadly, the human condition is such that human beings will do awful things to each other, including the people who are closest to them. I wish it weren't so, but it is naive not to acknowledge the reality of the human experience and this particular problem associated with what's going on here.


On top of this, you now have a group of medical staff who have been added to the process of assisted dying in these situations. And they will now be, metaphorically speaking, hovering about the patient in order to acquire their organs. Now, this new group of medical professionals, their primary concern is not the patient. Instead, their primary concern is the patient's vital organs and the needs of the donors who will receive them.


And that's quite a radical departure from the other medical staff who are operating in the life of that patient. What happens when the way in which a patient dies in a euthanasia needs to unfold to a particular time schedule or in a particular way that is more beneficial to the organ harvesting team than it is to the patient? How is the patient to discern and understand all of this?


You also have the risk of valorization of assisted suicide and euthanasia. So what previously would have actually been an act of despair because someone is lonely or perhaps feels that their life has no value or worth, all of a sudden, that patient comes to believe that they are more valuable dead than alive because they are donating their organs.


And so all of a sudden, there's a valorisation of an act of despair. And on top of that, there is unlikely to be much in the way of proper scrutiny to ensure that those patients in those situations are getting the genuine help and care that they need not to fall into this trap, because the incentive here will be to actually get the organs and ensure that they go to people who need them.


Then, of course, there is the risk of confusion for a patient and their family.
You have competing interests at play now. It's not just the question of medical treatment and euthanasia. You now have this added interest of a group of medical professionals who want to acquire the organs from that person. And this creates the very real risk of uncertainty and a loss of clarity and even control for the patient and their family.


In these situations, the medical establishment wields a lot of power. There is a very serious power imbalance in the doctor patient relationship. And what keeps that power in check, or what has previously kept that power in check, was the principle of do no harm, the idea that medical professionals could never deliberately do harm to a patient. But we've changed all of that now.


We've actually, actually said that if a patient requests it, the doctor can actually do the ultimate harm to a patient. They can deliberately end their life. And this completely upends the previous relationship. We had the question of the power imbalance. And in this particular situation, that's exactly what we're talking about, a medical establishment where there are now conflicting or competing interests, if you like, at play regarding this patient and their death.


I actually think this will become the preferred method of organ procurement. Now, it's probably not likely at this stage anyway to become the primary method, because I don't think as many organs will be harvested from euthanasia patients as they will be from other patients who have died in other ways. But for those who actually harvest organs, I think this will become their preferred method.


Because what you've got here effectively is it creates a type of organs on demand situation which you don't have normally. Normally what happens is the patient actually has to die first and they die of underlying causes or natural causes. And it's hard to predict when that will happen. There's uncertainty. So generally speaking, you don't have groups hovering around a medical patient waiting to actually harvest their organs, because generally there's not as much certainty about the time of death.


But now this process will see medical professionals involved potentially for weeks and months in the life of that patient leading up to their time of death. And this creates all sorts of new complications and potential harms. And even the establishment of this process in and of itself will also create other new risks for New Zealanders, like the incentive to actively target euthanasia minded patients and their families for organ harvesting, or the disincentivising of authorities to scrutinise the practice of euthanasia or organ harvesting from euthanised patients as carefully as they should, because it's the most ideal way of acquiring organs for donors in a situation where there are far more people in need of donor organs than there are donors who have organs available.


What are we going to do? Go back to the old and inferior way of acquiring organs? That's not how the bureaucratic managerial state thinks about such things. They have just opened up a brand new avenue of consumption to meet a need that is desperate. These things don't tend to get walked back. Instead, what happens is you get an incentive not to look too closely because this mechanism is serving another valuable purpose for the state.

 

This will probably create greater risk of eroding public trust in doctors and nurses. And I know plenty of good medical professionals in this country and they don't want anything to do with this. And one of the reasons why they don't want anything to do with euthanasia and assisted suicide is because they understand the great risk that it poses to the public trust in the medical profession.


Adding organ donation, the harvesting of organs from euthanized patients, only makes that risk even greater, that public trust will actually be eroded. This approach wrongly assumes that death is autonomous when it's actually familial and communal. And even though it might be one single person who is euthanized, that person is likely to have family and friends who are around them or close to them at that time of death and as that process unfolds.


And it's highly likely that in some of these scenarios, you're going to have family members asking themselves questions like, are they really acting for the best interests of my mum, or do they just want her organs? That question will now be part of the equation in some of these situations. And that kind of questioning and that kind of contemplating what's actually going on with the system and the state of affairs as they are, can't help but make its way out into the wider community, where it will become part of the broader communal and social conversation about the practice of euthanasia.


So one of the unintended consequences from all of this could well be a decrease in organ donors.  Up until very recently I was an organ donor. But I have now rescinded my organ donor status because I don't feel that I have the level of confidence and trust that is necessary anymore in the state and our institutions to actually act according to the best interests of me, the patient and my family if we were ever to find ourself in this particular predicament.


These law changes create such a great level of risk and uncertainty that I can no longer proceed as I did previously. And I would not be surprised to discover that others are making similar decisions themselves. Or if they aren't rescinding their donor status, they're not as willing to become donors in the first place.


And just to give you a sense of where all this could well end up heading, more than a decade ago, back in 2013, the New England Journal of Medicine published a paper titled the "Dead Donor Rule and the Future of Organ Donation". So previously, we have operated according to the Dead Donor Rule.  You couldn't harvest any organs until the donor was actually irreversibly dead.


But now we've got a whole new way of doing things. The death and the organ donation process are intimately connected. The "Dead Donor Rule and the Future of Organ Donation" abstract includes this key bit: "The ethics of organ transplantation have been premised on the Dead Donor Rule. In other words, vital organs should be taken only from persons who are dead. But why shouldn't some living patients, such as those near death but on life support, be allowed to donate organs?"
Where will this all end up? It would be extremely naive not to recognize the dystopian nature of what potentially lies ahead of us in New Zealand as a result of this. I don't think most Kiwis had any idea of the disastrous chain of events they were setting in motion back in 2020 when they voted in favour of legalized euthanasia without much in the way of an informed conversation in the public square before all of that unfolded.


Don't forget, live by goodness, truth and beauty, not by lies. https://the-dispatches.castos.com/episodes/nz-is-now-harvesting-organs-from-euthanasia-patients



 


42 comments:


  1. Wow - had never thought of that aspect. Assisted dying for the terminally ill is an advantage, but the consequences of what could happen, leave a lot to be desired.

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  2. They can only use organs from the living

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  3. Extremely evil. Everything about euthanasia is evul, but this double evil.

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  4. So when Mother Theresa(St) said regarding Abortion's link to Euthanasia ..'you can't have a little bit of evil'..she wouldn't have even considered Organ Harvesting from Euthanasia Patients..especially not the high values $ for the organs...$ thousands for heart..kidneys etc...ghastly...(horror movie stuff)..

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    1. So hey what?

      They take the organs?
      Then euthanise?

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    2. Once braindead..then take the organs...

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  5. Its the same path China is on..its happens regularly over there.
    The point is when people voted for Euthanasia they voted for this too but there was no discussion on it..(too late now)

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    1. Sorry I grew up under a rock

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  6. https://youtu.be/5SDNmeStmGQ?si=mpzbAbZeomESzz6M

    Organ Thieves: Inside the Dark World of Organ Trafficking | Organ Trade Documentary

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  7. And the the Organ Harvesting so far is just from Euthanasia.
    We know how greed works..it wont stop there..the doors to overseas markets are open..theres high demand..

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  8. Mons Reilly (Human Life International).. speaking opposite AMAC in 1996 approx....'Woe to you if you dont stop Abortion in this Country''..I then wondered what he meant..now I know..........

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  9. Thank goodness the Warning is very close now..imminent??

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  10. In China prisoners routinely have blood and tissue type recorded so if there is a match they can harvest the organs and the prisoner dies later from "natural causes" (eg no kidneys). The political prisoners there now include Catholics as well as other ethnic and religious groups.

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    1. If the person is seen as a Commodity only ..then they simply have a $ sign over their heads..
      Thats what Brendan Malone was warning us about in his clip..

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  11. I can only think of one reason why abortions are allowed up to birth..
    Can anyone think of any reason?

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    1. Jill Marie Ansell-Douglas3 November 2024 at 20:54


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      Who would have thought?! Me!

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    2. Kaye Woelfel I can think of more then 1 reason but enlighten me to your take on the matter

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  12. Your not dead when your organs are harvested. The assisted dying drugs a/incapacitate you b/ your lungs fill with fluid and you drown . We all die of the same thing ..not enough oxygen to the brain to sustain life.

    All-star contributor
    Your not dead when your organs are harvested. The assisted dying drugs a/incapscitate you b/ your lungs fill with fluid and you drown . We all die of the same thing ..not enough oxygen to the brain to sustain life.

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  13. Annalisa Vaatstra3 November 2024 at 20:55


    Investigate "brain death"

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  14. Some of us saw it coming a very long time ago, but were ridiculed and castigated for our views.

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  15. God help us

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  16. That's plain disgusting...almost like grave robbing.

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    1. Spike-contaminated organs. The gift that keeps on giving.

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    2. That’s why I now refuse to be an organ donor. What’s to stop them killing you off to get your organs.

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  17. Being forced to continue to breath while in terrible pain while being pumped full of drugs and dying of a terminal illness, is not godly...it's sick. Having this option is a good thing. Your blog post is garbage.
    Do you have a single piece of evidence that any organ or tissue has been harvested against the wishes of the donor? Do you have the slightest bit of evidence coercion has been used or any evidence any documentation has been falsified?
    Can you not understand that someone might actually want someone else's life to be better or that they might feel something can live on in some way? Your ideas on what is evil etc. need to be reconsidered.

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  18. And not necessarily for. The better

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  19. Different days now ๐Ÿ˜ก๐Ÿ˜ก

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  20. Organs for transplant cannot be harvested from a dead person, only from someone who is living, and it is preferable if the donor is only sedated without any painkillers, and that is how most organs are now harvested. The donors die agonizing, usually silent and prolonged deaths, and sometimes they silently start writhing in pain during the procedures. This is a totally evil practice, and I would prefer to die than be a recipient of a donated organ, and I certainly would not consent to be a donor or allow anyone I love to be a donor.

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  21. It's way worse than that!.
    Ian Wishart(Kiwi) wrote a book about the sale of aborted babies organs years ago.
    The book was called,"Eve's Bite".
    I read it back in 07'.

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  22. Welll๐Ÿค” if we all had eyes to see the true reality then humanity would have never come to this state it is now. Sadly most are still asleep... Nothing about transplanting 1s organ into a nother living sole is natural infact your body will start to reject that organ instantly.. 5 to ten years and failure.. this is weird science shit.. the blind believe with out question.. what they do with these organs is much more sinister.. they are putting human DNA in everything food,drink ya kids cereals VACCINES!

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  23. Saw that one coming....

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  24. Saw that one coming....

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    1. Some did see it coming when Jackcinda allowed abortions to full term. She the evil one also decreed that a baby aborted at full term that survived could not be saved, no one could intervene..... it's murder in my opinion, simply murder ๐Ÿ˜”

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  25. "Hey, Doc. It's okay to slice and dice the old man but keep your mits off his wallet. That's what we've been waiting for."

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  26. That’s what late term abortion and transgenderism is about…organ harvesting.

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    1. Gill Booth Planned Parenthood was into this regarding abortion in a big way. When Donald Trump was President last time he defunded Government Funded Planned Parenthood. The Clinton Foundation paid the full wages of at least one of the Planned Parenthood Abortionists.

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  27. And some of those babies that survive abortion and are left to die, don’t tell me their organs too are being harvested before they die – perish the thought!

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  28. When I heard this, I was not surprised, the door was left wide open. How can people not see this terrible law is only going to get worse !!

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  29. My partner was in a hospital ward 2 weeks ago and a person was going around asking if anyone wanted to sign a DNR order!!!!! There were Nero diverse people on that ward. WTAF

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  30. THE ORGANS HAVE TO BE HARVESTED BEFORE THEY DIE TO BE ANY GOOD

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    1. Richie Steventon, no. Depending on the organ, it can be transplanted up to 36 hours after death,

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