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Enough of the futile attempts to cancel the Traditional Latin Mass! |
"Their homilies are so different from what we get here! They're food for the soul!" Mass had just concluded at a certain Hawke's Bay church today and a parishioner was telling a reader of this blog about the St Anthony SSPX Whanganui live-streamed traditional Latin Mass (TLM) he'd discovered only 3 weeks ago. https://nz.search.yahoo.com/search?fr=mcafee&type=E210NZ0G0&p=st+anthony%27s+wanganui+live-stream+mass
To avoid embarrassment to its priests, that HB church will not be named. Because even though humiliation is good for the soul (St Teresa of Avila), and so should be cherished, as Novus Ordo priests they may not know that quite as well as the St Anthony's TLM priests know it and teach it.
A little chapel in the same parish which is very under-used is being eyed up by the local TLM community who because of the restrictions placed on the Latin Mass - especially on the Society of St Pius X (SSPX) - are compelled to celebrate their Eucharist, and hear their excellent sermons, in a private garage. The parish priest in whose city the little chapel is located is happy to allow the Latin Mass there - but won't have the SSPX.
Given the fuss that his parishioners kicked up over moving two statues closer to the altar in his Freemason-inspired church, that's not surprising. Neither is the fact that said parishioners kicked up a fuss. They know only the Novus Ordo and its sadly impoverished Mass texts, which over the course of time since its introduction in 1969, have inspired sadly impoverished homilies in its priests. They are so poorly catechised that liturgically and spiritually speaking N O Massgoers don't know which way is up.
They and their parish priest may well believe the Society of St Pius X is in schism. It is not. The SSPX is a whipping boy for the Novus Ordo Francis Church because it shows up the latter as a sham and a disaster. Because it maintains the doctrine and liturgy taught and practised by the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church for millennia, its success and growth (its fruits) prove that the fabricated Francis Church is quite simply non-Catholic.
The saintly Bishop Athanasius Schneider, made an Apostolic Visitor to the Society by the Holy See, came away convinced that their state of irregular communion with the Church is a problem that ROME NEEDS TO FIX. But what's the betting that while this problematic pontificate persists, Rome won't.
“To my knowledge," said Bishop Schneider, "there are no weighty reasons in order to deny the clergy and faithful of the SSPX the official canonical recognition, meanwhile they should be accepted as they are. … When the SSPX believes, worship and conducts a moral life as it was demanded and recognized by the Supreme Magisterium and was observed universally in the Church during a centuries long period and when the SSPX recognizes the legitimacy of the Pope and the diocesan bishops and prays for them publicly and recognizes also the validity of the sacraments according to the editio typica of the new liturgical books, this should suffice for a canonical recognition of the SSPX on behalf of the Holy See.”https://onepeterfive.com/1p5-podcast-episode-18-bishop-schneider-and-the-sspx/
Bishop Schneider said that in 2015. He also said that if the Vatican kept up its attitude towards the Society it was in danger of losing credibility. And now in 2024 the whole world - except for the globalists and heretics who get invited to the Vatican - can see it's lost it. Literally lost the plot.
Thousands of particles of the Host show why the N O Communion in the hand must be banned |
All of the above is by way of preamble to a heartfelt plea for full liberty for the traditional liturgy by French layman and Managing Director of Renaissance Catholique, Paris, Jean-Pierre Maugendre.
Being a Catholic in 2024 is no easy endeavor. The West is undergoing a massive de-Christianization, so much so that Catholicism appears to be vanishing from the public sphere. Elsewhere, the number of Christians being persecuted for their faith is on the rise.
What’s more, the Church has been struck by an internal crisis that manifests itself in a decline in religious practice, a downswing in priestly and religious vocations, a decrease in sacramental practice, and even a growing dissension between priests, bishops and cardinals which, until very recently, was utterly unthinkable.
Yet, among all the things that can contribute to the internal revival of the Church and to the renewal of her missionary zeal, there is, above all, the worthy and reverent celebration of her liturgy, which can be greatly fostered thanks to the example and the presence of the traditional Roman liturgy.
Despite all the attempts that have been made to suppress it, especially during the present pontificate, it lives on, continuing to spread and to sanctify the Christian people who are blessed to be able to benefit from it. It bears abundant fruits of piety, as well as an increase of vocations and of conversions. It attracts young people and is the fount of many flourishing works, especially in schools, and is accompanied by a solid catechesis.
No one can deny that it is a vector for the preservation and transmission of the faith and religious practice in the midst of a waning of religious belief and a dwindling number of believers.
This Mass, due to its venerable antiquity, can boast of having sanctified countless souls over the centuries. Among other vital forces still active in the Church, this form of liturgical life stands out because of the stability given to it by an uninterrupted lex orandi.
Certainly, some places of worship have been granted, or rather tolerated, where this liturgy can be celebrated, but too often what has been given by one hand is taken back by the other, without, however, ever managing to make it vanish.
Since the massive decline during the period immediately following the Second Vatican Council, every attempt has been made on numerous occasions to revive religious practice, to increase the number of priestly and religious vocations, and to preserve the faith of the Christian people. Everything, except letting the people experience the traditional liturgy, by giving the Tridentine liturgy a fair chance.
Today, however, common sense urgently demands that all the vital forces in the Church be allowed to live and prosper, and in particular the one which enjoys a right dating back to over a millennium.
Let there be no mistake: the present appeal is not a petition to obtain a new tolerance as in 1984 and 1988, nor even a restoration of the status granted in 2007 by the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum, which, recognizing in principle a right, has in fact been reduced to a regime of meagerly granted permissions.
As lay people, it is not for us to pass judgment on the Second Vatican Council, its continuity or discontinuity with the previous teaching of the Church, the merits, or not, of the reforms that resulted from it, and so on. On the other hand, it is necessary to defend and transmit the means that Providence has employed to enable a growing number of Catholics to preserve the faith, to grow in it, or to discover it. The traditional liturgy plays an essential role in this process, thanks to its transcendence, its beauty, its timelessness and its doctrinal certainty.
For this reason, we simply ask, for the sake of the true freedom of the children of God in the Church, that the full freedom of the traditional liturgy, with the free use of all its liturgical books, be granted, so that, without hindrance, in the Latin rite, all the faithful may benefit from it and all clerics may celebrate it.
This appeal is not a petition to be signed, but a message to be disseminated, possibly to be taken up again in any form that may seem appropriate, and to be brought and explained to the cardinals, bishops and prelates of the universal Church.
Jean-Pierre Maugendre, Managing Director of Renaissance Catholique, Paris, France International Campaign for the Total Freedom of the Traditional Liturgy - OnePeterFive
Eternal Shepherd, graciously guide Thy flock, and through blessed Cletus, Thy Martyr and Supreme Pontiff, whom Thou didst appoint Pastor of The universal Church, keep it under Thy continual protection.
- Collect, Memorial
Why not simply move to a protestant church?
ReplyDeleteMark Munroe, do you mean I should accept that God made a mistake when He founded the Catholic Church, and that He had to wait 1500 years+ for Martin Luther et al to put it right?
DeleteBergoglio, the heretic apostate needs to be promoted...
ReplyDeleteYES, LETS US STAND FOR CHRIST HE DIED FOR US. AND WHAT A DEATH HE TOOK EVERYTHING AND NEVER COMPLAINED..
ReplyDeleteAndrea Marit Erickson
ReplyDeleteFather Gerald Murray is a canon lawer, i wish that i could remember the video so i could post it, said that according to Canon law, the SSPX is not in schism. Their official status is canonically irregular. Pope St John Paul2 imposed the excommunication but Pope Benedict 16 lifted that excommunication. I'm sure someone in this group can explain it better than I can. The excommunication had to do with the SSPX ordaining its own bishops. The pope chooses the bishops, traditionally. Ironic that pope Francis allows for the Chinese Communist party to choose bishops in China without the pope having any say.
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ReplyDeleteYou are so right Bishop Strickland! God bless you👍🏻🙏🏻
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That's why we have the Defense of the Faith Committee!
ReplyDeleteSounds like these Catholics have become Protestants 🤔 praise the Lord!
You're right on the button. It's as Satan intended when he first inspired Luther et al to set up their own sects (thousands of them) and then infiltrated the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church with his useful idiot Communists and Freemasons in order to turn these apostates into Protestants.
DeleteChrist needs faithful lay people like Jean-Pierre Maugendre now to help whip them out of His Church by the granting of full freedom to the traditional liturgy Francis has tried so hard to get rid of.
Who else is walking on your 'narrow path'?
ReplyDeleteSo can you explain why God waited for 1500 years after Christ gave His life for mankind for the Protestants to come along, please?
ReplyDeleteJessica Powel, sorry to disagree, but, the whole system desbribed as "Mystery Babylon The Great-Mother of Harlots" All Daughter Harlots from Mother Rome
ReplyDeleteLloyd Roberts, Jessica Powell, see how Protestants disagree with one another? How can your sects be guided by the Holy Spirit?
DeleteLloyd Roberts, what then is the ‘narrow way’ according to you?
ReplyDeleteI apologise: the comment above came from Jessica Powell, not from me!
ReplyDeleteLloyd Roberts, sounds like Gnostic teachings to me.
ReplyDeleteWill never happen to much greed and to many deep state pedofiles
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DeleteChris Keoghan there are many faithful Catholics already denouncing the Judas bishops, and there will be more and more in time to come.
Mate they are not Shepherds, they are Hirelings who are not for filling their Commitment to their Flock . Not only the Catholic Church who have Hirelings instead of God Fearing Shepherds.
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He is the one who has diluted the Gospel, poor mr Strickland
Bishop Strickland is not a good man?
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DeleteIan Grunke not at all, he is not. Leading people into a public reunion during COVID, attacking a reigning pope with unfounded lies
Hery Narindra Jeannot Rakotoarimanana lies? Such as? Don’t go there with Covid.
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DeleteIan Grunke Covid was a sham. Clarify your other statement.
Connie Miley you mean many people who died was because of a sham, are you not ashamed of your lack of knowledge
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DeleteHery Narindra Jeannot Rakotoarimanana I am not. Many more people are dying as a result of the vaccine. Are you not ashamed for believing BS propaganda?
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ReplyDeleteEnough with one of your own high up in Catholic circles committing elder abuse. So disgusts me. Happened to my mother. Hypocrite money grabbing lying foreigner under the guise of good Samaritan!!!!
ReplyDeleteI apologise for your unfortunate experience. Please don't judge the Church because of any sin on the part of an individual member. It's a human institution after all, as well as divine, and we're all sinners.
DeleteI believe there is an element of evil in all religions, those seeking power, wealth and dominance over God's followers are not of God but of satan, true followers of Christ follow the word of God and his commandments, not the words or actions of the satanic leaders who have falsely assumed control over religious groups to line there own pockets and cause destruction of one's faith.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree: there is an element of evil in all religions. It's the human element, which exists also in the Catholic Church - which alone among all religions, however, is also divine.
DeleteSorry to disagree, but, the whole system desbribed as "Mystery Babylon The Great-Mother of Harlots" All Daughter Harlots from Mother Rome
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ReplyDeleteLloyd Roberts What then is the ‘narrow way’ according to you?
Jessica Powell So can you explain why God waited for 1500 years after Christ gave His life for mankind, for the Protestants to come along, please?
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ReplyDeleteLloyd Roberts, Jessica Powell, see how Protestants disagree with one another? How can all your sects be guided by the one Holy Spirit?
ReplyDeleteJessica Powell some pretty woolly misconceptions and ignorances you are trying to dispel amongst this lot, not yours but theirs. Sounds like they reading the Scriptures according to the Ultimate deceiver via Gnostism,Masons et all secret societies and True God forsaken outfits. All the best.
DeleteI rest my case.
ReplyDeleteNeville Copland the Narrow way is this: Messiah Yahusha said He was not sent to any except to the "lost Sheep of the house of Israel"-He came to renew the Covenant He had with them before they were sent out of the land in dispersion-they were/are being recalled to repent and be immersed and turn from their evil ways back to OBEDIENCE of His laws and Commandments
DeleteLloyd Roberts sounds like Gnostic teachings to me.
Nope-just the simple truth of Scripture without the influence of the Whore and her Daughters
ReplyDeleteI urge all Christians to speak up against all corruption they see in all church’s of all denominations. Prosperity Gospel irks me and is false. Jesus upturned the dealers in the temple Gods house as they were peddling their products…..so wrong!!!!!! I’ve been in so called Christian book shops selling all manner of rubbish and idols. They need to get back and read the Bible properly
ReplyDeleteYou have to renounce Roman Catholicism all together - including your Baptismal oaths. You cannot cleanse that false harlot church. It is and always was corrupt - 100% pagan with a deceitful veneer of false Christianity - from the roots up, and you know what must be done with rotten trees.
ReplyDeleteGods call to any true believers in the real biblical Christ who are still stuck in that most blasphemous of all false religions, has not changed:
“Come OUT of her, My Peoole, lest he be partakers if her sins…”!
(Revelation 17: 4)
ENOUGH is right the pedophilia within the church is disgraceful
ReplyDeleteYes. It's more prevalent outside the Church but so much more disgraceful within it, because priests (and bishops of course) are ordained to be other Christs. “The road to Hell is paved with the skulls of erring priests, with bishops as their signposts” – ST. JOHN CHRYSOSTOM.
DeleteI understand what IMO in the past churches looked at as places where a far greater amount of safety due to Christian value system. children can go with “uncle and Aunty” for the afternoon and they will be cared for fed no worries as you know they are trusted. Where churches have gone wrong in the past is their denial that added another layer of guilty parties for allowing it to continue by simply transferring priests to different parishes to do it again.
ReplyDeleteYes, that practice of shifting abusive priests around was evil. I believe it's due to infiltration of the Church by communists and freemasons, especially since the Second Vatican Council.
DeleteHow can one take him seriously when he never stood up and denounce the poisonous vine of this apostasy. He still calls himself a enthusiast of VCII.
ReplyDeleteIt sounds to me that denouncing the poisonous vine of this apostasy is exactly what Bishop Strickland is doing, and is the reason he was cancelled by Francis.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the so-called "third secret of fatima"? I've googled and it seems theres all different ideas & speculation, but no consensus...
ReplyDeleteShort answer... No one knows. Many speculate.
DeleteLonger Answer... Oy vey.
So first we have to start with Fatima itself. Over several months in 1917, Our Lady supposedly appeared to three seers in Fatima, Portugal, about sixty miles northeast of Lisbon. In 1930, the Church, thourgh +Silva, the competent authority, granted episcopal "approval" *to the 1917 apparitions*. He investigated and issued his admirably brief decision that the apparition is "worthy of belief." (That's the correct ecclesiastical jargon. Not, mind you, that "Fatima" is true or that anyone must believe it.)
After the 1917 apparitions and before the 1930 approval, one of the visionaries, Lucia, became a nun, and she claimed further visits from Our Lady. These are the so-called "Pontevedra" apparitions. They are not part of the 1917 "Our Lady of Fatima" apparitions and they are not governed by the 1930 approval even though they predate it.
After the 1930 approval, from the mid-30s to the mid-40s, now-Sister Lucia published a series of memoirs about things she claimed to have heard in the 1917 apparitions. Obviously, these memoirs postdate the approval and are thus not governed by it, and insofar as they make claims about the 1917 apparitions, to the extent those claims fall outside of the record reviewable by +Silva, they are prima facie not governed by his approval. 'Twixt an' 'tween, there is what Justice Jackson would later call a "zone of twilight."
The "three secrets" belong to a memoir first published in the 1940s. Two remarks about that before we move on.
First, they appear decades after the event and a decade after +Silva's approval. For this reason, though they are conflated with Fatima, they are more accurately called Lucian, just as most Fatima people are actually Lucian cultists.
Second, "secret" is a bad choice of word by the translator; "confidances" is closer to it. (In the same way, when you hear of the Vatican "secret" archives, what's meant is "confidential" archives. Translation is hard.)
Anyway, the first two claimed confidances were published swiftly. The third confidence, however, was kept secret—for decades. With the tenor of the times as fuel and as accelerant a message from the BVM that "they" were "hiding," it was inevitable that people would assume that the content was apocalyptic or otherwise critical of "them." (You see the conspiratorial mindset in this language, what Richard Hofstadter called the "paranoid style.")
Eventually, "it" was published in 2000. This calmed things down like pouring bullets into a campfire. Because now it's not just the conspiracy weirdos whose antennae are up. What was published as "it" in 2000 was anodyne. If that was "it," then it's hard to see why it was kept secret for decades. Which tells reasonable people that this ain't "it." Which engenders questions like, "why keep it secret?" And, "why fake release it to keep it hidden?" And, "what does it say?"
As of 2024, we don't know. Everything else is noise.
Hope this helps!
DeleteSimon J. Dodd Interestingly enough, the cleric who took possession of Sister Lucia’s “secret” and helped her settle into monastic life was none other that Pope Paul VI, before he was pope. Which makes one wonder exactly what she told him, and what they decided to disseminate about this last confidence. They do not want Catholics believing that the church will be taken over by heretics, so they kept that to themselves. Yet look what’s happening now.
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DeleteMontini? Pope Paul was the one who helped place her in that particular convent. He would’ve know what the real confidence was. It appears they were trying to hide her away so she couldn’t voice what she’d heard.
DeleteAnd sure, I got that info from a site claiming Lucia was replaced. I don’t know either way.
Those claims strike me as being irreconcilable. Lucia entered monastic life in 1921; the existence of the Three Confidances seem to have been unknown until the 1930s if not 1940s; these two events are separate in time by years. So did Montini help with the former or did he receive the latter? And why would he be involved with either? In 1921 he was too junior, a newly-ordained priest in Italy. In the early 1940s, he was too senior, working as the pope’s Chief of Staff. (“Substitute to the Secretary of State” in Vatican jargon.)
DeleteSo I would like some evidence on that, thanks.
I don’t understand. She entered the convent in Portugal in 1921. The man who would be Paul VI was in 1921 a new.y ordained priest in Italy. How and why would he have helped place her in that convent? Who is the “they” trying to “hide” her in 1921, and why?
DeleteYou understate his importance by claiming he was just a parish priest. Apparently he had an “in” with the church in Italy. He was literally groomed to be part of the Papal offices.
DeleteYou understate how different the world was in 1921. Sr. Lucia was not in the church in Italy; she was a thousand miles away in Portugal, in an age where car travel was rare and commercial air travel undreamed of. Even if Montini was being groomed (unfortunate choice of words) it’s hard to see how or why he could have had anything to do with something so far away.
DeleteSister Lucia certainly was replaced. See https://juliadufresne.blogspot.com/.../will-real-sister...
ReplyDeleteSimon J Dodd, I suspect the Vatican is fitting faithful Catholics up for disillusionment and disbelief in Church-approved apparitions, in order to discredit the Third Secret when it's finally released as it must be, as momentum for it builds steadily. To collude with any such scheme of Francis and his heretical hierarchy would be mistaken, to say the least.
ReplyDeleteAnyone wanting to know about Fatima - and has the time and application necessary - should read Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite's monumental work, "The Whole Truth about Fatima".
Alas, every book I’ve ever been recommended on Fatima has been disappointing and each disappointment has deepened my skepticism.
DeleteSo I take it you have not read Frere Michel de la Sainte Trinite's definitive work?
DeleteI don’t think so but I’m not sure. Unless it’s written in a neutral (if not skeptical) tone and is minutely sourced in footnotes, I probably won’t waste my time.
DeleteIt's exhaustively factual - I seem to remember pages of footnotes in a very small font. But it certainly gives witness to the truth of Fatima; it must have been this monk's life work. I don't believe anyone could read it with an open mind and not be convinced.
Deleteif we lose Fatima we loose the rosary. How can one not believe the validity knowing the the power in the rosary?
DeleteApostasy coming from the top of the Church.
ReplyDeletei think its the message of akita. it would make sense that mary would rerelease it.
DeleteSome say the Novus Ordo which was possibly why they wouldn’t release it (the message was supposed to be released not suppressed) in 1960 (or thereabouts)
DeleteAlas, every book I’ve ever been recommended on Fatima has been disappointing and each disappointment has deepened my skepticism.
DeleteSo I take it you have not read Frere Michel' de la Sainte Trinite's definitive work?
DeleteHow does sharing any of this present the beauty and reverence of the TLM?
ReplyDelete"...(T)here is, above all, the worthy and reverent celebration of her liturgy, which can be greatly fostered thanks to the example and the presence of the traditional Roman liturgy"(Jean-Pierre Maugendre, as quoted in this post).
DeleteUnfortunately denouncing the current hierarchy is not effective
ReplyDeleteDo you think then that we should put up and shut up?
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