Monday, 5 October 2020

JUDITH COLLINS GOES TO CHURCH, LEIGHTON BAKER GOES TO COURT

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Judith Collins praying - as she has a perfect right, in fact a duty to do, no less than anyone else who was created by God. But this pic and umpteen dozen others like it have whipped both the social and mainstream media into a frenzy. 

Her prayer got her a lot of publicity. She was snapped by NZ Herald. By newshub. By TvNZ. By Stuff. The dailyblog. By newstalkzb. By rnz.

They say any publicity is good publicity, but I would suggest that this publicity was, at best, ill-considered. The thought does cross one's mind that Mrs Wong Tung (to give the Leader of the National Party her married name) realises how many potential votes from true Christians bled out of National the moment she cast her vote for the noxious Abortion Legislation Bill, and that this is an attempt to get them back. 

"Collins won’t confirm it but, from the outside, her emphasising of faith appears to be part of a broader strategy to claim votes from minor parties – particularly those to which National supporters may have strayed," Stuff said sourly, without deigning to enlighten readers as to the names of those 'minor parties' which are apparently beneath Stuff's notice, as they are beneath the notice of all the msm. 

For example, New Conservatives, who are now polling equal to NZ First (but still not invited to the minor parties' debate which includes NZ First, so New Conservatives Leader Leighton Baker is taking TVNZ to court).




New Conservative is preparing a legal challenge over the publicly-owned TVNZ’s right to pick and choose which political parties get election coverage in their televised debate planned for 8th October. New Conservative’s action is a last resort, taken after several attempts to discuss the issue with TVNZ executives.

New Conservative is the 5th highest polling party, equal now to NZ First and rising, an established, committed political option, and is standing candidates in all 72 electorates, including the Maori seats (only matched in seat numbers by Labour). 

https://www.newconservative.org.nz/2020/10/05/new-conservative-challenges-tvnz-to-honour-fairness-free-speech-democracy/

'In recent weeks, Collins' references to her religion have notably increased", some rag reports. She's claimed, in both televised leaders' debates, to be "a Christian and a feminist" - which is an oxymoron if ever I saw one, but never mind that for the moment. 

Collins says she prays every day, and we believe her, and thank God for that, and pray for her repentance, healing and conversion, as we need to ask that of God for everyone. 

One could observe that one does not normally go into a church to pray with seven or so cameramen, and assorted reporters. And - if one is a woman - without one's handbag. Who was holding it for her? But the polling booth just happened to be at a church, St Thomas Church in Tāmaki, and the vicar just happened to invite her to enter the church and pray, and she did. And all the cameramen and photographers followed, as they would. The vicar could hardly deny them a sorely-needed opportunity to beg the Almighty for forgiveness, specifically for their sins of omission, specifically for omitting to give coverage to the New Conservatives Party, now could he? 

The ever-so-sincere Winston Peters has tweeted: "Matthew 6: 5-6. “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others ... But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.”

Ever the opportunist (suddenly, with the nearness of the election, the memory of the Abortion Legislation Act, and their dismal polling, National and NZ First both alike have discovered Christianity) Winsome Winston (who, like Collins, voted for the Abortion Legislation Bill) quoted chapter and verse again, with "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's" (Mt 22:21), pontificating that Jesus Christ was advocating separation of Church and State. 

What the actual pontiffs have actually repeatedly pontificated is that "separation of Church and State, of the kind that we have in all of the liberal democracies of the world, has been consistently and repeatedly denounced. In the Syllabus of Errors, for example, Pope Pius IX condemned as false the proposition that, "In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship." 

And before Mr Peters can say, but what about Vatican II, let me say that the Second Vatican Council in Dignitatis Humanae insisted that it left untouched traditional Catholic doctrine on the moral duty of men and societies toward the true religion and toward the one Church of Christ." So that separation of Church and State was the last thing Christ intended.

Thus the empire of our Redeemer embraces all men. To use the words of Our immortal predecessor, Pope Leo XIII: “His empire includes not only Catholic nations, not only baptized persons who, though of right belonging to the Church, have been led astray by error, or have been cut off from her by schism, but also all those who are outside the Christian faith; so that truly the whole of mankind is subject to the power of Jesus Christ.” 
Nor is there any difference in this matter between the individual and the family or the State; for all men, whether collectively or individually, are under the dominion of Christ. In him is the salvation of the individual, in him is the salvation of society.
If, therefore, the rulers of nations wish to preserve their authority, to promote and increase the prosperity of their countries, they will not neglect the public duty of reverence and obedience to the rule of Christ. What We said at the beginning of Our Pontificate concerning the decline of public authority, and the lack of respect for the same, is equally true at the present day. “With God and Jesus Christ,” we said, “excluded from political life, with authority derived not from God but from man, the very basis of that authority has been taken away, because the chief reason of the distinction between ruler and subject has been eliminated. The result is that human society is tottering to its fall, because it has no longer a secure and solid foundation.” https://onepeterfive.com/just-hearts-true-social-kingship-christ/

"National leader Judith Collins spoke to her maker (sic) before casting her ballot, but refused to share what was discussed," Radio NZ snidely remarked.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/427576/election-2020-judith-collins-prays-before-casting-advance-vote.

"Collins won’t confirm it but, from the outside, her emphasising of faith appears to be part of a broader strategy to claim votes from minor parties – particularly those to which National supporters may have strayed," commented Stuff, without deigning to enlighten readers as to the names of those 'minor parties' which are beneath Stuff's notice. For example, New Conservatives.

Having declared herself a Christian and a feminist, Collins confirmed she voted on Sunday for National and the National Tāmaki candidate Simon O’Connor (who opposed the Abortion Legislation Act and deserves every Tāmaki voter's tick). But then she says she voted for the End of Life Choice Act. 

So one wag commented that she was in the wrong part of the church; she should have been in the confessional. But the church where Judith prayed doesn't have a confessional; it was Anglican. Well of course: as we know, the Anglican Church is the NZ National Party at prayer. And I'd hazard a guess that Anglicans are much more likely than Catholics to vote for the End of Life Choice Act. 

What's more interesting about the pic of Judith at prayer than the state of her conscience - which is her own business, and we must assume that she is praying in good faith - is the church itself. 

St Thomas' looks fairly new, but it looks like a church inside - and I bet it looks like a church outside, instead of vulgarly resembling a supermarket or a municipal outfit, exuding the ego of its architect and/or its architect's employer, the parish priest.

It has kneelers - and if I know my Anglicans, they'll be padded. There's more kneeling going on in Anglican churches these days than in Catholic. It has hymn books, which would indicate it does not have that sad adjunct adorning the sanctuaries of Catholic churches, the obtrusive OHP screen with greeting-card images distracting the 'community' from the re-enactment of their Saviour's bloody and agonising death on Calvary, especially when the wrong pic goes up, accompanied with the wrong musak and congregational titters if it proves excessively inappropriate, like the sudden blast from a pipe band I once experienced, compelling me to teach myself to play the organ. 

It has sanctuary rails, which denote a sanctuary, something which in Catholic churches now exists only in name, as 'special ministers of the Eucharist', mostly middle-aged women in pants, romp around whispering and squirting hand sanitiser in the sacred space where once only priests and priests-in-waiting (altar boys) were admitted. 

An Anglican church has a sanctuary only because once upon a time, before the so-called Reformation, it was a sanctuary for the Real Presence. Now, when all the Judith Collinses have gone home or to the hustings, in an Anglican church there's nobody there. 

Jesus Christ, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity, is down the road, around the corner, on far less valuable real estate, in the Catholic church.

So why does an Anglican church, inside and out, now look more Catholic than the Catholic?


35 comments:

  1. Karen Latimer says:
    I think the same What she did was obnoxious to God and his true followers. It's hard to reconcile this photo to her actions She needs to publicly apologize.

    Philippa O'Neill says:

    Yet again, using God while hating the church and all it stands for.

    I say:
    Yes, her voting has been obnoxious to God. But in charity we should assume she believed she was doing good. Rather than being politically motivated Judith could have fallen for satanic deception.

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  2. Helen Carver says:
    Just like Trump read Nicky Hager's book Dirty Politics to see just what sort of person she is.

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  3. I say:
    Again, rather than judging Trump to be a hypocrite we should in charity accept his words and actions in defence of the unborn and the American people as genuine. We shouldn't be fooled by the MSM which is insane, but be led by the light of Christ and the Magisterium of His Church.

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  4. At least Judith Collins was prepared to go into a church. We haven't seen that from Jacinda Ardern. In fact, no, Jacinda has done her best to close all of our churches down over the past six months or so. Everyone needs to think what is going to happen if Labour gets re-elected? There is no doubt that Judith Collins is not perfect and nor is the National Party but, from my point of view, they are streets ahead of Labour. People voting for a party that is highly unlikely to get over the 5% threshold under MMP their votes will be redistributed and most likely your vote will go to Labour. Do you want that? At least you know voting for National your vote will not go to a party which actively promotes abortion. Look at me, I voted New Zealand First simply on the basis that they were prolife and yet Winston Peters and his cohort voted for that dreadful Act. I regret now not voting for National at the last election and helping to let this evil commie government in. I have heard that people have been visited for putting up a cartoon of Jacinda Ardern on their Facebook page. If you want to preserve your freedom of speech you need to vote tactically. A vote for New Conservative - although it may make you feel good - as I felt at the last election - will help to elect Labour. That is the sad truth of it.

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    1. Problem is, New Conservative will need to introduce a private members bill to amend the abortion legislation and find the numbers to have it passed. Doubt it is possible.

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  5. Teresa Coles says:
    Trump is far better in his beliefs and the sanctity of all life..

    Janet Curran says:

    Actually, we are not voting for Judith Collins per se. We are voting for a party and, unfortunately, a vote for any other party than National is a vote for Labour. Under MMP any party that doesn't get over the 5% threshold their votes are redistributed to the parties over 5%. As National is the only party likely to unseat Labour - which if re-elected you can count on will continually shut down our churches, etc - it really is the only viable party to vote for at this stage of the game. If you are in Judith Collins' electorate, don't vote for her or any other proabortion politician BUT do you want your vote to go to Labour? That is the critical question and we need to use tactical voting if we want to get this commie government out. New Conservative is a new party and we know that it takes years for a party to go over the 5% threshold. If National was in I would vote for New Conservative but there is no way I want to risk my vote going to Labour and supporting an absolutely proabortion party and pack of commies. That's the stark choice this election. If we get Labour back in we will only have ourselves to blame if we don't vote tactically as the left are doing.

    Dawn Bedingfield says:
    Janet yes can totally see where you are coming from. Another term of labour and where will we be. Look what they have bought in up to date in the three years , what next ?

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  6. Jacinda back in her Mormon undies. Well....

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  7. I hate to have to repeat myself, but please remember that the most wasted vote in 2017 was a vote for National. In the meantime, as the main Opposition party, National have supported the horrendous Zero Carbon Act and supported the unconscionable abortion legislation. Is there anything decent that National have tried to protect from the Laborious/Groans/NZ Last coalition ?
    As for the distribution of votes from New Conservative to Labour, etc., that's not what happens.
    The votes for any Party not getting into Parliament are simply discarded, and the votes for the "successful" Parties are apportioned so that they make up 100%.
    For example, if all "unsuccessful" Parties (such as the Maori Party) procure 15% of the total Party votes, the successful Parties' votes are re-calculated from 85% to 100%. If National were to get 30% of the original 85%, it would be allocated 35% of the 120 Parliamentary seats (100x30/85 = 35).
    Since the inception of M.M.P., no Party has gained enough votes to govern alone. Those of you who want to see a National (i.e., Labour-lite) Govt need to ensure that there is available another Party to enable National to form a Government. Thus, it'd be important for you to ensure that New Conservative gets enough Party votes. Unless you think that the vile ACT Party would be a good Governing partner.

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    1. Funny how all parties are dead quiet on the Treaty gravy train.

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    2. No, Anonymous, New Conservative are not silent on that. Have a look at their website.

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  8. Diane Walker says:
    I have recently found out that this picture was not posed. Judith was unaware that a photographer saw her enter the Church and followed her in there. Not only is this photo intrusive, but shame on those of you who have judged her without first finding out more.

    Bob Gill says:
    I take your point, Diane, about pre-judging - which is what I did initially. On reflection, I find her kneeling in church impressive, something I don't see many Novus Ordo Catholics doing these days.

    Philippa O'Neill says:
    Yeah and how quaint... they have kneelers.. don't see many of those in a Catholic church these days!

    Diane Walker says:
    Philippa O'Neill Judith Collins is an Anglican. A lot of Anglican Churches have kneelers, whereas all Catholic Churches still have kneelers

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    1. Diane; Her security team would have known the media were following her and they could have asked them to leave. Sadly, I believe the thing was pretty much contrived. The Nats are desparate and are grasping at any photo opportunity they can grab.

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  9. I say:
    Obviously my post was too long or too boring to be read in its entirety.
    Oh well. Fiat voluntas tua.
    But perhaps I should add that not all Catholic churches have kneelers, not by a long shot. I think the PN cathedral lacks kneelers; that St Patrick's Napier lacks kneelers; I'm quite certain my own church, St Joseph's Waipukurau, lacks kneelers. The decision to biff them was regretted and a wonderful parishioner made individual knee cushions as a substitute. But they're not the same. Kneelers remind us of our duty to pray - like, as I say in the second line of this post, in regard to Judith Collins and everyone created by God. To spell it out, the duty of everyone, period.

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  10. I have recently found out that this picture was not posed. Judith was unaware that a photographer saw her enter the Church and followed her in there. Not only is this photo intrusive, but shame on those of you who have judged her without first finding out more.
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    Bob Gill
    I take your point, Diane, about pre-judging - which is what I did initially. On reflection, I find her kneeling in church impressive, something I don't see many Novus Ordo Catholics doing these days.
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    Philippa O'Neill
    Yeah and how quaint... they have kneelers.. don't see many of those in a Catholic church these days!
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    Diane Walker
    Philippa O'Neill Judith Collins is an Anglican. A lot of Anglican Churches have kneelers, whereas all Catholic Churches still have kneelers

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  11. Sharon Crooks says:
    Diane Walker, have you been in a Catholic Church in NZ? Where are all the kneelers? Some don't have even pews any more, let alone kneelers. In the Palmerston North Diocese, we are often told to refrain from kneeling!

    I say:
    At Requiem Masses, Father actually asks the congregation at the beginning of the Eucharistic Prayer which leads to the Consecration - the transformation of bread and wine into the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, as the Angels adore the Son of God - "please be seated".
    It's more important that we be 'comfy' and Protestants especially, than that we adore our God.

    Rose Kerr says:
    That's her personal belief in fact I'd rather look at this than a hijab Jacinda and listen to a calling of prayer in Parliament

    I say:
    Yes, the hijab was a pretence of belief to which Ardern does not subscribe; she's an atheist. And yes, Parliament should pray; but not to Allah. That was an insult to our Judaeo-Christian tradition and to those who believe in the Trinitarian God.

    Rose Kerr says:
    NCs were very prolific at judging Collins

    I say:
    I assume you mean lots of NCs judged Judith Collins. Could you perhaps be specific? How many?

    Rose Kerr says:
    Well put it this way I was dissed called a troll for me saying they should leave well alone .. her choice . Quite a few actually ... go on NCs post if they are still there

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  12. Janet Curran says:
    Dawn Bedingfield, I know. It is very, very concerning. I have heard of at least two instances where people have been visited at home by armed police and questioned as to their political beliefs and views on immigration and asked about their Facebook pages. I think the only way to defeat them is to vote strategically. I very much regret voting NZF last time thinking I was doing the right thing but in fact I helped to put this lot into power.
    Nicky Hager is an absolute commie. I don't know how you could quote him.

    Philippa O'Neill says:
    Nicky Hager - as if I'd read anything he has to write! Uuuughhhhhhh 🙂

    Helen Carver says:
    Janet Curran I went to school with him and spent alot of time at his house his sister was my best friend I can assure you he is a good person with morals and ethics he is highly respected internationally for his investigative journalism.The very opposite of Trump

    Philippa O'Neill well if you have never read anything by him then you are unable to comment on his writing due to your ignorance of his work which is highly respected internationally

    I say:
    I don't know about 'internationally' but his work is certainly not respected by NZ journalist Karl du Fresne who absolutely refutes Hager's claim to be 'an investigative' journalist here, there or anywhere.

    Helen Carver adds:
    Dawn Bedingfield another term of Labour and we will be right where we ate now- in Level 1.

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  13. Helen Carver says:
    So....the fact that by his failure to listen the scientists leading to the deaths of thousands of people hasn't registered with you yet?

    I say:
    Helen, I won't publish your next comment on President Trump.

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  14. Janet Curran says:
    Also, unfortunately many Christians are not taught the right thing these days and the commandments have gone by the board - even among Catholics. Unfortunately, looking at Judith we very much see mainstream Christianity which has lost the plot and led us into the dire situation we are now in. At least we can take a bit of comfort that she was prepared to be seen in a church and be identified as Christian even if we don't think that her beliefs are up to our standard ...

    Philippa O'Neill says:
    I don't agree that Judith Collins hates the church. She is no doubt misguided and not up to our standards but at least she is prepared to acknowledge that she is a Christian and be seen in a church. I don't think we should be vilifying her but rather pray for her and write a decent note to her explaining your concerns as a Christian. At least we have something to work with. Look at Winston Peters and his party - all voted for the introduction of the abortion reform bill and yet people like me gave him our vote believing that he was opposed to abortion. He had the chance to prevent that bill even entering parliament. So you can't guarantee that even those who claim to be against abortion will do the right thing when push comes to shove.

    Karen Latimer says:
    Janet Curran you are wrong Winston voted against as did all NZ First bar 2 One of the 2 was Tracey Martin who unbelievably fronts Tamariki Oranga which supposedly looks after troubled children but then again she was trying to lighten her load

    Janet Curran says:
    Karen Latimer He voted to allow that bill into Parliament. If he and NZF had voted against it, it would no doubt have killed the bill. It was a bit late in the day when he voted against it.
    "This bill is very much his bill. He had his MP, Tracey Martin, work on co-writing the bill, along with the Justice Minister, over an eight-month period. Then his cabinet, in which he is the number two ranked minister, signed off on the bill,
    NZ deputy-PM elected on pro-life vote, introduces world’s most extreme abortion law
    RIGHTTOLIFE.ORG.UK

    Philippa O'Neill says:
    Yes Janet, I agree with you and I do pray for all our politicians. I just think she was grandstanding and I don't like the Church being used this way. God will not be mocked I'm sure.

    Janet Curran says:
    Philippa, one point I am concerned about. Should we be joining the media that is lambasting Judith Collins for praying in a church? I note that Jacinda Ardern donned a veil and seemed to be quite happy to appear to be of the Muslim faith. Did the Media complain and say she was using Muslims for political purposes? No. They are quite happy to bash Christians. In reality I think Judith Collins was quite brave to say that she is a Christian and to be seen in a church praying. We may question her reasons but in reality doing so could equally alienate many agnostics and people biased against Christians. Judith Collins is liable to lose more votes than she gained I think. I say - good on her for having the guts to do what she did. I don't agree with her stand on abortion and euthanasia and as such I wouldn't vote for her if she was my candidate but at least she believes in God and that, in this day and age, is a start.

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  15. Philippa O'Neill says:
    Ah no... many Catholic Churches have ditched their kneelers.. where are you from? In the Basilica here in Dunedin you have to kneel on a cold tiled floor.... or bring a cushion... great for penance though. That's not the only church in Dunners where the kneelers are gone. 🙂 I remember a church in Nelson was the same and an elderly lady was the only one, apart from us, that knelt.

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  16. Tom Taggart says:
    This is not an opportune photo, it was on television. Lets not be to understanding about the motive.

    Don Simpson says:
    Media from the pit of hell

    Rudolf Suhr says:
    I can see the ghostly axeman standing beside her his axe raised hgh !

    Ken Naylor says:
    There is a photo taken from the 10 o'clock position also.Judith knew damn well they were there

    I say:
    Yes she knew; the vicar invited them in (as vicars do) but he should have told them to leave their cameras outside.

    Shane Harlen says:
    When most people are in earnest prayer their hands are not held in the showy position unless of course you don’t do it often and think that is how you hold them.
    The photo is unfortunate, there is an old saying for many nominal church goers Sunday’s lambs Monday’s wolves.
    We are known by actions not appearances at the end of the day myself included we will appear before the judgement seat and be answerable for what we did not how we looked .

    I say:
    We will be answerable for how we loved. That's all that matters. And that means loving God first, and loving all others as we love ourselves, for love of Him.

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    1. Piripi Thomas says:
      I would never judge another's intentions and would imagine that there will not be too much television coverage of me at prayer (although there would be opportunity enough) if the networks ventured into churches when "celebrities" are not inside. Had I been Judith's minder, I wold have suggested she stand far off down the back with her head bowed praying, "Lord, have mercy on me, a sinner". There is a precedent, I recall.

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    2. Piripi Thomas, hear ! Hear !

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  18. Diane Walker says:
    Born and raised a Catholic and all the churches still have kneelers. Does this even matter?

    I say:
    Diane Walker It matters profoundly. "At the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in Heaven, on earth and under the earth."

    Bob Gill says:
    Julia, "please be seated" is something I've come across only since moving to Dannevirke nearly 5 years ago. I cannot recall that being common practice while living in Hawkes Bay for over 20 years and 20 years recently in the Waikato. I was taught to be kneeling anytime the Blessed Sacrament was exposed and especially during the Consecration and until after Communion. I wonder when the present practice crept in as I had thought it was just another Palmerston North irregularity.

    Philippa O'Neill says:
    Bob, that is soooo bad... and sad. The church I attend every Sunday has no kneelers... just single seats. I travel a tad too so I see the inside of many Catholic churches... up and down the country.... Ahyes it matters... the kneelers are taken out to actually stop you kneeling ... in a subliminal way.... that's a whole nother story!

    Sharon Crooks says:
    Bishop Peter Cullinane promulgated it 40 years ago in these diocese, that’s why you are now hard pressed to find kneelers in our churches and why (Fr) Joe Grayland takes every opportunity to remind people that we are to stand united as one people. Before Fr Vui’s ordination, in the presence of all those devout Vietnamese at the cathedral, he reminded everyone in the preamble before the Mass that in New Zealand we stand throughout the Eucharistic liturgy. Only a handful out of the packed cathedral defied him and knelt. What’s the bet we are told the same tomorrow for the Jubilee?

    I say:
    Sharon, you took the words out of my mouth. Yes, it was +Peter Cullinane who stopped the faithful kneeling. He will answer for that before God.

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    1. Philippa O'Neill says:
      Why on earth would he do that... 🙁

      Sharon Crooks says:
      Philippa O'Neill For what it is worth, here is my two bob on the matter. Bishop Peter was once one of the most influential Bishops in the English speaking world. He was the NZ Bishop for ICEL 'created in 1963 to prepare English translations of Latin liturgical books and texts'. He did not seem content to stick to his actual role of translating Latin Liturgy into English for the new Mass. Rather, he seemed to go a step further, wanting to translate the gestural language too, hence if we once knelt in the TLM, we were to now stand. Similarly, he introduced a new type of 'theology': if we were once a people bowing down to Our Lord in His Sacrifice on Calvary, we were now to embrace the Resurrection and be a Sunday people who stood. Bishop Peter embraced the 'spirit' of Vat 2 with gusto, promoting a whole new way of 'being Catholic'. He offered the homily today at the Cathedral for the Jubilee ordinations and wouldn't you know it, he began with the very thing that has defined his 25 years a Bishop, literally saying "the great 'spirit' of Vat 2..." Same old, same old, same old... He embraced the 'spirit' and we continue to reap the evil fruit. This is my personal opinion only.

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    2. Cullinane isn't called Protestant Pete for no good reason.

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    3. Nothing wrong with your "personal opinion", Sharon.
      Protestant Pete has been a bishop for 40 years, though.

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  19. Leo Leitch says:
    Helen Carver, your Trump Derangement Syndrome (T.D.S., pronounced tedious) is quite serious, and you should perhaps consult a psychiatrist soon ’cause it might well worsen on November 4th (our time) One thing to help ease it would be for you to eschew watching our tv news and reading our main stream newspapers. Take the time and make the effort to look elsewhere, and you will find news sources which present the truth, and this will be a great help to you.
    Making a comment on this blogsite is necessarily a brief exercise, so I can’t list here the many achievements of President Trump. Suffice to say any Catholic would admire his work in regard to, for example, abortion, immigration, global warming, world peace.

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  20. Philippa O'Neill says:
    Janet, so we are not allowed debate and opinions anymore? This photo helped me decide who to vote for!

    Janet Curran says:
    Philippa O'Neill At the moment we are allowed to debate and give our own opinions. If Labour gets re-elected how long will we be allowed to express our own opinion? Andrew Little has his hate speech legislation ready to go. During this term of the Labour government police have already visited several people who have put up cartoons on their Facebook pages of Jacinda Ardern. People who have legally obtained firearms have also been visited by armed police and questioned as to their views on immigration and New Conservative's views on immigration. I think we all need to get real and use our party vote to try to keep Labour out. They are the biggest threat to freedom of religion etc in this country. Make no mistake.

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  21. Janet Curran says:
    I don't respect (Nicky Hager) one bit. He is a nasty piece of work. Look what he did about the NZ Army in Afghanistan. He is nothing but a commie. Give me Trump - with all his faults - over the commie.

    Helen Carver says:
    Janet, I just can't understand your thinking.

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  22. Janet Curran says:
    As the saying goes "Judge not lest ye be judged" and it applies to all of us. As Judith Collins said she believes in God and she acknowledged Him in her maiden speech in the House. Why is Judith Collins expected to be more perfect than any other politician? Why aren't New Conservatives pointing out Winston Peters who got voted in on the strength of his antiabortion stance saying that he would not stand for de-criminalisation of abortion and yet signed off on that heinous bill and had Tracey Martin work on it with the Minister of Justice for eight months? I have honestly been put off New Conservative over this. It seems to me that they are more interested in the Christian vote themselves for political reasons. To my mind, anyone generally interested in protecting Christianity in New Zealand would be doing their utmost to defeat Labour in this election. That should be paramount in everyone's minds.

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  23. Shane Harlen says:
    I saw a scripture about judgement begins at the house of God for those of us who should know better. The unsaved are blind to their wrong doings, the saved should be walking in the requirements of the Lord.
    We all fall short and we should be strong enough if pulled up on an issue to take it onboard and make the necessary adjustments to get back on the path.
    Many of us of faith do not wish to grow any further than our carnal selves. We also take half of scripture in regards to yes we accept Christ as only a saviour but we do not want Him to be Lord over our lives and that is paramount to our witness.
    It’s like saving a person from drowning, they acknowledge the fact that they live again but constantly jump into the water and drown and need pulling out and they don’t take on board that there a certain things and behaviours they should not do.
    Some people want to live in the baby stage of faith, others grow under the tutelage of a Father who requires you to become an adult in the faith and being judged on behaviours to change they do not despise.

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  24. Karen Latimer says:
    Its a pity (Collins) threw Albert Ngaro under the bus He would have made a great Cabinet Minister I hope he miraculously wins his seat

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  25. The true face of Collins. A woman of many masks.

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