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Bruce Tichbon says:
We were very grateful to get the following response from Bishop Dunn. We
pray it points to an ongoing and meaningful dialogue on all the issues.
Dear Bruce
Thanks for your letter of concern. The bishops have
asked Bishop Drennan, as your own bishop, to meet with you to discus the matters
you have raised.
As you have pointed out, this is a moment of great
challenge for the Church.
But your letter does not take account of the
fact that we are at a 'change of era' moment. Pope Francis and Pope Benedict
have tried to draw our attention to the fact that the old 'Christendom' model of
the Church is in a state of collapse in our culture. It has served us well for
perhaps a thousand years but now no longer 'works' for our contemporaries. This
is not the 'fault' of anyone: it is just a fact of history.
Pope Benedict
spoke of the need for a New Evangelisation. Our secular society is the most
challenging mission field for the Church in our time. We need to present the
treasures and the truths of our beautiful Catholic Faith in new ways to speak to
the new secularised culture of many parts of our contemporary world. It is the
sort of work that St Paul did in his time, and St Thomas Aquinas in his
time.
Every blessing for these beautiful Christmas days and the coming
year.
+Patrick Dunn. [President NZCBC]
I agree we are in a 'change of era' in a new secularised culture. I agree
with Julia it is a failing culture that we must not emulate. I believe we must
respond by building on the principles, Church and priesthood given to us by
Christ. I do not agree that we are talking about a thousand year model, it is
the model given by Christ that we change at our eternal peril.
Bruce Tichbon
Linda says: 'Fraternal corrections', ha ha. But actually, I am horrified by his (Bishop Dunn's) response to Bruce Tichbon. The paragraph starting "But
your letter does not take into account....." and then going on to 'change of
era' showed me exactly where +Dunn is at.
If he is our best hope in NZ for
any return to orthodoxy, then all I can say is 'God help us!' That was so
disappointing. I felt quite let down and unprotected by this, our 'Leader'.
The only place he is going to lead us is down the garden path.
Bishop Patrick Dunn , President, NZ Council of Catholic Bishops (NZCBC), has responded to Palmerston North's Bruce Tichbon's Letter to the NZ Bishops, posted recently on this blog (scroll down to 'AN OPEN LETTER TO THE LEADERS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN NZ: FIXING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH').
So in fairness to all the bishops I post Bishop Dunn's response, written on their behalf, interpolating my responses to his responses. (Sorry people, I couldn't help myself.)
Bishop Dunn's letter begins:
"The bishops have asked Bishop Drennan, as your own bishop, to meet with you to
discus (sic) the matters you have raised.
As you have pointed out, this is a
moment of great challenge for the Church."
I say:
It's hardly “a moment”. This crisis has
been building for at least a century and accelerating since Vatican II, with rampant homosexuality in the priesthood exacerbated by the “disastrous” – to quote Cardinal Gerhard Muller – removal
in 1983 from the Code of Canon Law of any
mention of homosexual acts as an offence against the 6th Commandment incurring
certain canonical penalties.
The John Jay College of Criminal Justice report (referred to in Bruce Tichbon's Open Letter) revealed in 2004 that since 1950 over
10,000 children, mostly boys, had been abused in the US by over 4000
priests. ) Fr Paul Sullins, in a new report for
the Ruth Institute, states that clergy sexual abuse peaked 35 years ago but
today is still comparable with the early 1970s. He concludes that “the
bishops have gotten complacent”.
And why have the bishop 'gotten' complacent? Perhaps because they know the Pope protects and promotes pro-homosexual priests and bishops. Under this pope, their careers are in no danger on that account.
A quarter of priests ordained in the
late ‘60s report a homosexual subculture in their seminary. In the 2002 Dallas
Charter, the US bishops stated the days of concealment of abuse were over, with
stringent new standards for dealing with priestly abuse; but
the bishops specifically excluded themselves from these standards, contending that only the
Pope had authority to discipline them (as if!), and that peer pressure or what they
referred to euphemistically as ‘fraternal correction’ would keep them in line.
It didn’t. Since then there have been claims of abuse or harassment against more
than 50 US bishops. Father Sullins says that "the (US) bishops, as a group, cannot be trusted to
solve this problem.”
And the NZ Church can’t get away with
saying, “oh but that’s the US”. A recently ordained priest has told me of an
overt pro-homosexual culture in the seminary here, and we lay people have been
hurt for long enough by NZ priests charged with sexual abuse and found
guilty.
+Dunn continues:
"But your letter does not take
account of the fact that we are at a 'change of era' moment. Pope Francis and
Pope Benedict have tried to draw our attention to the fact that the old
'Christendom' model of the Church is in a state of collapse in our culture. It
has served us well for perhaps a thousand years but now no longer 'works' for
our contemporaries. This is not the 'fault' of anyone: it is just a fact of
history."
I say:
Most people noticed that 'Christendom’ began to collapse with the arrival of the heretical Protestant ‘Reformation’
(more aptly termed ‘Deformation’). The fact of
history isn’t that Christendom "is in a state of collapse", but that Christendom no longer
exists. That doesn’t mean, however, that the Church is in a state of collapse.
It's our secular
culture which is in a state of collapse, and the Church endangers herself by flirting
with that culture and its values (that old whore, the world).
"Pope Benedict", writes +Dunn, "spoke of the need for a New Evangelisation. Our
secular society is the most challenging mission field for the Church in our
time."
Amen to that. As Cardinal Ratzinger, Pope
Benedict stated that “to begin with, we (Catholics) will be numerically
reduced. We must continue to be an open Church. (But)
we cannot calmly accept the rest of
humanity falling back into paganism. ... We must find the way to take the Gospel
to nonbelievers.”
So, Bishop Dunn suggests, "We need to present the treasures and the truths of our beautiful
Catholic Faith in new ways to speak to the new secularised culture of many parts
of our contemporary world."
Exactly. For example, by speaking "to the new secularized culture and witnessing to our beautiful
Catholic Faith” in the sanctity of life, by taking part with 1200 pro-lifers in
the second National March for Life on Parliament.
This year the visible priestly
attendance increased by 100 per cent, that is to say that - tragically - there was not just one
priest present, but two. And they were both from the SSPX.
+Dunn goes on:
"It is the sort of work that St Paul did in his
time, and St Thomas Aquinas in his time."
I say:
This may not be 'the sort of work' that +Dunn has in mind, but for example, St Paul publicly rebuked
the first Pope (Gal 2:11), and St Thomas Aquinas, in support of St Paul, quotes
Sir 4:27: Reverence not thy neighbour in his fall and refrain not to speak
in the time of salvation.
St Thomas continues: “Or to his face, i.e.
not in secret as though detracting him and fearing him, but publicly and as his
equal: Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thy heart: but reprove him openly,
lest thou incur sin through him (Lev 19:17).
"This he did" writes St Paul, "because he
(Cephas, Peter) was to be blamed … subjects have an example of zeal and freedom, that they fear not to correct
their prelates, particularly if their crime is public and verges upon danger to
the multitude ... where danger is imminent, the truth must be preached openly
and the opposite never condoned through fear of scandalizing others: That
which I tell you in the dark, speak ye in the light (Mt 10:27) ... Them
that sin, reprove before all (1 Tim 5:20). This is to be understood of
public sins, and not of private ones.”
“Some bishops,” says Cardinal Muller,
“unsettle the faithful because, in their statements, they follow only the
mainstream. They allow themselves to be placed in the strait-jackets of
political correctness, in which they can only move awkwardly and make fools of
themselves.” Bishops should not “foremost act and think politically” because
they are actually “servants of the Word of God, shepherds of their flock”.... We
should risk and venture the new evangelisation instead of jumping on the train
of demoralization and deChristianisation of the Western societies”.
Such a renewal, says Cardinal Muller, would
include “a renewal of the ethical conduct ... There are
high-ranking representatives of the Catholic Church who, beyond measure, defend
and promote people with such a (pro-homosexual) tendency. But when it is
about questioning aspects of the Catholic faith, they are magnanimous and lack
energy. He who follows their agenda may do what he wants. (But)
he who does not participate in assisted thinking is being mercilessly
persecuted, currently according to the motto ‘St Paul goodbye – Wucherpfennig,
okay!’
Cardinal Muller is comparing St Paul’s public rebuke of St Peter, the first Pope, with the values of the pro-homosexual
German Jesuit priest Ansgar Wucherpfennig.
Wucherpfennig has been reinstated by the Vatican as rector
of the Jesuit St Georgen graduate school, in spite of his stated refusal to
adhere to his declaration of faithfulness to the Magisterium of the
Church.
Which, given the thorough revamping of the once-revered and mighty Order of Jesuits, and its impassioned embrace of the heresy of Modernism, is exactly what we'd expect from the Vatican and a Jesuit pope.